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  1. Lee

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    The EU

    Were always gonna have our pants pulled down by Brussels, so do you think we should stay or leave.
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    reasons for staying

    once the European countries merge armies we will be the strongest power in the world

    reasons for leaving

    the french and germans want each others love child and dont want to assist britain in anyway beneficial

    Britain always comes off worst i every sodding descision
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    the french and the italians might scupper that plan with their fondness of surrendering.
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    very true, :lol:
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    Reasons for staying:
    Our combined economic power will be more than any other organisation in the world, meaning stronger economic growth, more jobs, and higher standards of living.

    Things against your reasons for leaving:
    Why do France and Germany need to assist Britain? They have problems of their own you know. You could easily say that us and the USA want each others love child....you a big fan of George Bush then?

    Britain always comes off worst in every sodding decision (notice that was all spelt correctly).....do you care about anyone else? Eastern European countries have been through decades of HELL trying to convert their economies from communist to capitalist as well as being poverty-stricken and also experiencing plenty of wars....I think that anytime some manufacturing jobs leave Britain and go to Eastern Europe it's good. Shows how fucking lazy British people have become - why not work harder and stop taking days off because you've been out drinking the night before, and then maybe productivity will be that bit higher.

    Britain is going down the pan, and it's not because of Europe or even the government...it's all down to the stupid fucking British society that exists today of laziness and ignorance (i.e "Stupid asylum seekers!" - when they actually provide MORE to Britains GDP than actual British citizens do...without immigrants we'd be back in the Stone Age!!)

    Sorry that's a bit off topic....:D
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    Lee original gowans artwork

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    your comments bollocks tho they were ask some interesting questions.

    number 1 why do you feel that it is alright for britain to have to give more money to the eu then france or germany, especially germany when their economy is quite good frankly.

    number 2 where did you get the information that asylum seekers provide more to britains gdp than british citizens.

    number 3 i agree to a degree that we do take liberties with our employers but saying that you ar glad to see jobs go abroad is soewhat supid and ignorant. i for one would rather see work carred out in britain than abroad because i know we have high standards when it comes to manufacturing.

    you sir are a tit
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    Lee original gowans artwork

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    exactly, and another point is our working week is longer than frances. yes alot of trade is wasted through people gettin bladderd and not coming in on the morning. but when you work it out we put more effort in the first place

    (note that i couldnt give a toss how i spelt things or if i use shorthand on the grounds that my keybaord is fucking wank and seems to get lazy and not put keystrokes in- must have been made in britain then)
  9. Lee

    Lee original gowans artwork

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    shouldnt be, but is. the world is seeing new powers on the verge of becoming superpowers. if europes militaries unite then they will become THE HYPERPOWER, sad fact that these days power still counts for somet.
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    Britain is one of the hardest working nations today????? :lol::lol::lol: YOU ARE TAKING THE PISS???

    If we are so hard-working, why is the economy losing so much productivity and work due to sickness? Why are jobs going abroad if we are so hard working? If we provide "high-quality" manufacturing and are so hard working, surely all the jobs should stay here as it would be more profitable? Explain all this please?

    And yes, I'm glad to see the jobs go abroad....they go to the countries who have the labour who WANT to work, who NEED to work. Whilst over here people can get by on the dole, people in SE Asia, Eastern Europe, and Latin America need jobs and are prepared to work for lower wages and usually work longer and be more productive...therefore it's nice to see that the so called "Third World" is getting back at the Western World after so much crap they've took from us (loans, interference in politics, colonialism if you want to go back that far).

    Finally - my sources came from a very informative lecture I had:

    “Up to 10 million migrant workers might need to be enticed to the UK between now and 2025 in order to ensure that pensioners can continue to receive £80 a week from the basic state pension, according to new research.” - Management issues, Number 02 November 04, http://www.management-issues.com/display_page.asp?section=research&id=1633

    “Migrants make a disproportionate contribution to the wealth of the UK, accounting for eight per cent of the population but 10 per cent of our gross domestic product - and 20 per cent more likely to be self-employed.” - David Blunkett, Effectively managed migration is good for Britain, Working in the UK
    12 November 2003, http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/homepage

    “Even if the Lisbon targets set for employment were met by 2010, and assuming no increase in net migration, an overall decline of employment could be expected after 2010 as a result of demographic change…. From an economic viewpoint, this decline of employment will impact negatively on economic growth… in the context of an ageing and shrinking working-age population, more sustained immigration flows appear increasingly likely and necessary.” - EU (2003) Immigration and employment in the EU Chapter 6: 185-198, http://europa.eu.int/comm/employment_social/news/2003/oct/eie2003_chap6_en.pdf

    Therfore - we NEED more immigrants. Otherwise wave bye-bye to your pensions
  11. Lee

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    our work goes abroad because its cheaper to employ someone in slave like sweat shops than it is to employ someone in an air conditioned nice factory

    people in places like south east asia arent prepared to work for less, they have to work for less. and its companies like nike who cash in on desperate people, and make fat profits fro it.

    i agree that this country has people that will gladly sit o their arse getting fat off other peoples hard earned efforts, but to say we are all lazy is fucking rediculous and insulting.

    i for one never took a day off work cos i had a headache off last nights session. or cos i fancied going to the town for soe ne threads.

    this country could be so much better if some people stopped claiming and got off their arse. (i know some people have to claim)

    we need more jobs over hear not over there.
    i think companies like tsb are fucking money grabbing arseholes.
    some jobs need to stay in britain, call centres especially
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    business men are hard working? maybe so, but how many people in the country are business men? Fact is millions of people sit on their arse and do nothing but receive money from the government through benefits. Obviously when he said we are a lazy nation he didnt mean every single person, it was a generalisation, fair enough if u work hard and dont take days off but you dont represent the whole country. Fact is Britain needs immigrant workers to do all of the jobs we're too lazy too do all the low-paid jobs we do ourselves!! Same thing that has happened in the US.
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    i agree that the country needs immigants to fill spaces. i also need to point out that if the government got tough with scroungers we wouldnt have this no skilled work void that we are in now
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    Freddy Flintoff WE MISS YOU JOHN

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    I say bring back the empire and rule with an iron fist, i reackon if we take um by suprise we can have the whole of europe by friday and the whole world by week monday.....

    RULE BRITTANIA, we can use most the 3rd world as slaves and the yanks shuld all be put on antartica as a new prision colony
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    how fucking ignorant. sweeping generalisation. im sure the people at the rover plant would love to debate that comment.

    after all you have been claiming trying to be liberal and taking a moral high ground how can you claim that.

    our manufacturing jobs tend to move abroad because it is CHEAPER to hire people in those countries. also expenditure and costs are far cheaper, and most of these countries are generous with tax cuts to multinationals who move there as they percieve this will help strengthen their economy. its all down to money.
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