the Illuminati

the Illuminati

right, watched a conspiracy program last night about the illuminati, and it touched on other groups like them aswell, anyone see it? or has anyone got any views on them and the way they work?

granted you'd be a moron to assume they really did "control the world" like the fanatics on the documentary said - but its still got me thinking how much power they actually have, their members/ proposed members lists dont mess about, very powerful men in the ranks like

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Angels & Demons.... the book touches massively on this (unsure of the actual Film as I've never seen it yet).

But yeh, supposedly the Freemasons took them on board/gave them refuge when cells were ran out of town from the Catholic Church & they grew larger/worldwide within the shadows of the Mason society pushing their own Policies & scientific beliefs through the Society without it becoming too noticeable.

They do exist, I know a few of my old mans mates who aer in the 'secret handshake' club (freemasons not Illuminati).

As for controlling all the worlds money, banks, America etc... id say the Jews do.

Dan what was the programme called? wouldn't mind seeing this...

conspiracy thoeries: the illumanti

it was on sky three last night

The biggest con ever sold to the American public.

2 passenger jets flew into 2 buildings on Sept 11 & as a result made 3 of them collapse in their own footprint at virtually free-fall speed.


Check out Dr David Ray Griffin's podcast on Itunes & his seminars he delivers all around the world on the 9/11 topic, eye opening stuff.

do you REALLY think George W Bush was the most powerful man in the world? I cant even be bothered to write some wise words here but lets just say Television rules the world but who controls it?

I wouldn't have said the most powerful, however id definitely go as far as to say I think his Administration at the time were responsible for 9/11: Dick Cheney, philip zelikow, Secret Service etc...

Out of all the 'Conspiracy Theory's' surrounding 9/11 the Official Report definitely has to be the most far fetched & distorted one of them all. The Twin Towers collapsing can easily be explained using the theory of explosives, yet N.I.S.T & Popular Mechanics have practically re-written the laws of Physics to explain theirs.

For me there just far too much evidence stacked against the Official Report to even consider it to be the truth.

ive got a 9/11 dvd somewhere...confronting the evidence its called, loose change is good too.

that loose change was totally debunked. they used video clips editted and used quotes taken out of context.

yes, they go to the lengths of a massive cover up THEN use a military plane as the 2nd plane that everyone will be watching

lap it up, you see what you want to see.

a bunch of hysterical women and a fat homeless virgin with geps?

ok - so it was the military. AND some demolitions guys that went in a few weeks before, spent DAYS drilling huge holes in the supports of the building, running tons of cables and then planting the explosives without anyone seeing or noticing.

They managed to persuade EVERY SINGLE PERSON who was even vaguley involved never to breathe a word to ANYONE about any part of it. ever. not even their mums. it would only take 1 person involved who thought that it was wrong or wanted revenge to blow the whole thing open. But no, all these people have kept quiet.

not THATS an impossibility.

Conspiracy stories are fun and make u think or look at things a different way - but come off it, it's like religion - it's complete bollocks.

But the official version is also a 'Conspiracy Theory’?

Government Officials were in the building though... Just days before the attack all of the Twin Towers internal security & Police were told to stand down & certain levels of the building totally emptied for a 'Secret Service operation'. To this day nothing has been published as to why or what exercise was carried out.

In regards to keeping everyone quiet then it's really not that hard, those at the top end of this operation would have had officials working under different conditions whereby they wouldn't have had any idea what/who they were working for, failing that we all know the different ways/means of keeping people quiet/cordoning them off from whislteblowing...
Take the Manhattan Project (Atomic Bomb) for a perfect example, over 100,000 people were working on it & ex-president (then to be) Harry Truman had no idea it was going on until he actually became President, secrets can be kept.

Take the document signed by all of the people appointed by Bush to the top levels of the Whitehouse, Pentagon, and State Department stating that their foreign policy ambitions hinged upon the need for some sort of terrorist attack in order to facilitate the public support needed for such an agenda.
The Project for the New American Century was established in 1997 by Robert Kagan and William Kristol and funded by three foundations closely tied to Persian Gulf oil and the weapons and defence industries. Calling themselves, "Neoconservatives" this small group penned a Statement of Principles outlining their plan for a New American Century wherein the United States, as the world's lone superpower, would use its military might to topple regimes in the middle East and elsewhere that were unfriendly to U.S. corporate interests. On their website you can read their document Rebuilding America’s Defences’ wherein they clearly outline this goal. According to this document "the process of transformation," the plan said: "is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbour."

To add the FBI website which has Bin Laden on their 'Most Wanted' has no information actually linking him 9/11. When one of the Truth Movement seekers called the FBI to ask why? their official response was: 'We simply don’t have enough evidence to connect Osma Bin Laden with these attacks'.

What about the amount of 'Put Options' (yet to be investigated) that were that were placed on American Airlines flights that crashed into the Twin Towers days proir?
http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html

All this & we haven't even touched bases on the actual melting point of steel & how 3 building collapsed at free-fall speed in their own footprint due to fire damage caused by planes crashing into 2 of them (subsequently all owned by the same lease holder). They claimed the fire was that hot it was melting the steel which ultimately caused the 'Pancake effect' of the Twin Towers, yet people have been filmed literally 2/3 floors below where the planes crashed waving scarfs for help right up until they were raised to the ground?

I could go on all day tbh, but if you get 'imperical' about what actually happened & keep an open mind on both Conspiracy Theories (The Governments & the Truth Movements) the odds are stacked MASSIVELY against what the official version conspires to have actually happened.

I mean cummon...

- a passport in perfect condition found at Ground Zero which was indentified as one of the Hijackers after a 55 Story building was pulverized to the ground from fire?

- Hani Hanjure's (ms) luggage was kept in customs after it becoming suspicious, they later found a copy of the Koran & his will. Why would you take a will on board a flight you were going to plough into a building?

- The list quite scarily goes on & on...


The Official Version is the greatest lie ever sold to the general public & it's scary how people just go about their day without even raising an eyebrow as to what actually happened, madness.

i tend to look at the logical/attainable side of things.

Yes, some things do make sense/don't add up however the planning and dedication required for a goverment to pull this off is beyond belief. Big organisation are not secure, humans make mistake - something would have gotten out, especially something this big.

They have made mistakes & bush has been filmed making them. Contradictring his whereabouts on the day of 9/11 etc... etc... no investigations into 'Put Options' & the convenient swerve in the official report about WTC7... well it actually doesn't care to mention it once!
It all boils down to how much power/control the Government have over the media & press.