100,000 Iraqi civilians dead, says Lancet study

Re: Re: Re: Re: 100,000 Iraqi civilians dead, says Lancet study

Well done Spence you have finally discovered how Reports are compiled.

You mam will be so proud.

It took nealry thirty years but you got there in the end.

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I'm sorry Ness, but that is the most laughable thing I've heard for a while

The U.S. quietly supported Saddam Hussein during the 1980s through direct economic aid, indirect military aid, and the transfer of technologies with military applications. Washington rejected calls for sanctions when Iraq invaded Iran in 1980 and when it used chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Kurdish civilians. The U.S. Navy intervened in the Persian Gulf against Iran in 1987, further bolstering the Iraqi war effort. The Reagan and Bush snr administrations dismissed concerns about human rights abuses by Saddam’s totalitarian regime. Such special treatment likely led the Iraqi dictator to believe that appeasement would continue.

86,194 men, 39,612 women, and 32,195 children died in the first gulf war, but america corp didn't stop there - every single week from 1991 til 2003 they dropped more bombs in civilian areas. The US also prevented the UN from lifting it's sanctions on Iraq that were imposed in 1991, the result being a humanitarian catastrophe, with hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians—primarily children—dying from malnutrition and preventable diseases resulting from the inability of Iraqis to get adequate food and medicine or the materials necessary to rebuild the war-damaged civilian infrastructure during that period. Food prices in Iraq in 2001 were 12,000 times as much as 1991. UNICEF estimated that 4,500 children were dying every month from the imposed sanctions. The estimate for the total amount that died of malnutrition and preventable diseases is between 250,000 and 1 million.

Even through that period of oppression forced on by the americans, which actually strengthened Saddam's hold on power, the Iraqi's still had a society that was better off than most third world countries - decent housing, an excellent education system, women had rights, etc. The US has murdered way more Iraqi's than Saddam ever did.

The bombing campaigns and the recent war were illegal, only the UN Security Council has the prerogative to authorize military responses to violations of its resolutions; no single member state can do so unilaterally without explicit authorization. Otherwise, for example, Russia could bomb Israel for that government’s ongoing violations of UN Security Council resolutions.

What we have now created is a severely destabilised country, with arab and muslim people around the world now resenting the west for the evil it has caused. The Iraqi people will see no benefits from Halliburton et al moving in, they now have daily violence, increased inflation, depleted food stocks, 'insurgents' and an occupying force that are murdering their own kind daily. In a few years, Iraq will be even worse off than it ever has been.

Fuck Bush, fuck Blair, and fuck the corporations that are making immense profits from this slaughter. None of this was done in the name of 'freedom'. We are the murdering bastards, and I am ashamed to be British.

ya joking tho yeah?

and the rest of it has to be some of the biggest anti-iraq war bollox i've heard in a long time!!!! summed up by......
"The US has murdered way more Iraqi's than Saddam ever did."

Estmated number of Kurds killed by Saddam Hussein: 6,000

Estimated number of Iraqi's killed directly by US/UK/etc forces: 200,000

Oops, forgot the Shia's: 40,000 killed by Saddam Hussein during uprisings.

Estimated number of people murdered by saddam hussein's regime over the last 25 years: unknown............they're still finding the mass graves and burial sites.

You speak must truth young Dodgy.....

I'm sorry Ness, but my point still stands. I didn't restate the 250,000 to 1 million deaths caused by the unnecessary and illegal sanctions placed by the US.

We are on the same level as Saddam - but our evil is done in the name of 'democracy' and the 'free world', ooh - we're also 'liberating' the Iraqi people Otherwise known as making some ****s a shitload of money on other peoples suffering.

surprisingly enough Ness I can agree with a lot of that. Saddam was undoubtedley a c.u.n.t. of the highest order, I wish we'd finished the job in '91, would have saved a lot of bother, and I'm damn glad he's out of power now. Problem is we and the yanks didn't have a problem with him or his human right's abuses in the '80s when the US/UK funded and armed him because it suited our interests then, so it's a load of bollox using that as the reason for invading him this time.

Fact is the ONLY thing that changed post 9/11 was political will, not the situation in Iraq, but if we wanted to fight terrorism then why go after Iraq and let Osama get away?? Out of the 2 of them it's Osama who's probably got the determination and the will and the means to nuke a major western city. Invading Iraq was a massive backward step in the fight against terrorism.

I'd happily change the UN rules so that a consenus can depose brutal dictators around the world by force if necessary, but I do not trust the US to make that decision themselves because they will always act in their own self interest, which means the interest of US big business, and not anyone else's

at least wa doin for the right reasons

WE ARE DOING IT FOR MONEY YOU IDIOT!!!

Any use of force is a backwards step in trying to reduce terrorism. The current US/UK foreign policy is handing Mr Bin Laden new recruits on a plate.

hence the

££££££££££££££££££££££££££ not peace.

agree 100% mate, thats why i also said i dont care about the reasons, right or wrong, as long as that twat is out of power the world is a better place. still think they should be able to find bin laden by now like. what was it chubby brown said?....."Get the CSA in there, they'll find the fucka in a fortnight!!"

Unless I'm mistaken, the world seems to be a worse place right now

aye but in the long run, stopping the hearts of people like saddam and bin laden should end up with the world bein a better place. a fair few more will unfortunately die before its all over but i guess its the lesser of two evils innit?

With the US/UK's recent antics, all it's done is breed more terrorists and destabilise the middle east. That situation will worsen if we (and let's not forget Israel too) carry on in this way. In the next few years, we will feel the consequences...

U may well be right like, but i hope ya not!!!

I hope I'm not too.