does Israel have 'a right to exist"?

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  1. French William

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    I agree. A boring unimaginative cop out no less. :down:
  2. Yosef Ha'Kohain

    Yosef Ha'Kohain Registered User

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    Theres also A chance that I'll wake up tomorrow as the messiah, with a 36c cup chest and with the ability to speak fluent mandarin.... ;)
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    That's lovely Andrew. But you're getting galaxy confused with universe. :dunce:

    Also, God isn't something that people need to prove, so don't be so arrogant as to think we need to give you evidence.
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    I certainly can't prove you won't! ;)
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    But these events didn’t have trillions of years to occur they had to be instantaneous of each other... which is why the likes of Hawking suggest there may of been some form of outside influence.

    There are just too many coincidences for it to be coincidence... accounting something as gargantuas as the universe to chance is bad science... when an apple falls from a tree it is not chance, time itself is not chance, the science behind my computer is not chance.... Chance is yet another cop out ;)

    To try and demonstrate the sheer magnitude of what you're suggesting I'll roughly quote Roger Penrose of Oxford University on the likelihood of the universe having usable energy (low entropy) at its creation:

    "namely, an accuracy of one part out of ten to the power of ten to the power of 123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full, in our ordinary denary (power of ten) notation: it would be one followed by ten to the power of 123 successive zeros! (That is a million billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion zeros.)

    Even if we were to write a zero on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe - and we could throw in all the other particles as well for good measure - we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed. The precision needed to set the universe on its course is to be in no way inferior to all that extraordinary precision that we have already become accustomed to in the superb dynamical equations (Newton's, Maxwell's, Einstein's) which govern the behavior of things from moment to moment."

    If this truly is accountable to chance - then this is a greater miracle than any religious claims.
  6. forks

    forks still not dead

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    surely saying 'god did it' is the ultimate cop out
  7. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    I can at least quantify my beliefs.
  8. RAVERBABY1980

    RAVERBABY1980 hardcore to the bone

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    let em get on with it !!
    over 2000 years every country in the world has done the same thing !
    the british empire killed thousands
    the germans killed thousands
    the spanish killed thousands
    the dutch killed thousands
    the french killed thousands
    the scandinavians killed thousands
    the portuguese killed thousands
    the americans have killed thousands
    the turks have killed thousands
    the russians have killed thousands
    the chinese have killed thousands
    the mongolians have killed thousands
    the japanese have killed thousands
    and so on and so on ...
    its called life !!

    some time in the very near future it will happen here ( believe me ) war will happen inside our own country between ethnic groups ...
    :argue:

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  9. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :king:

    no nonsense.

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