Eugenics

No it implied there were several options for our next step and that somthing like this could change in a different direction none of which are pre ordained yet all exsist simply because there are choices Grasshopper . !


ah who gives a shit lets just nuke all the ugly and old and deformed and diseased and ginger and blah blah blah until we have a perfect eutopian society !

You ask the wheelchair kid if he'd prefer to have the use of his legs and I'm sure he'd scream hell yeah, only a select minority wouldn't.

Society may hinder them, but its their dissability that segregates them...

I think youre confusing eugenics with abortion, stevie would of been born - just he'd of been able to play soccer and kareokee with the rest of the lads.

its fundamentally flawed because you are essentially placing an individual or a group in the position of making qualatitive value judgements, with a lack of overall understanding of what is 'better' for the human race or any qualification to make such decisions...

you only have to look back through history to when such judgments where made 'in the best interests' of mankind and their consequences.. you also raise the question of selectivity, in that what is deemed more desireable for one group of people may not be for another..

not to mention the reduction of diversity a comprehensive measure such as this would result in..

also, you get rid of one disease, the patient will die of another there is no 'soloution'...

By that rhetoric modern medicines shouldn't be used as they interfere with natures balance... Natures balance isn't fair... Species have been made extinct and to assume that humans wont suffer the same fate is ridiculous.

If we're are at a scientific level were we can rid the world of aids, to deny mankind this right seems unjust. If you accept modern medicine then it is hypocritical to deny man Genetic Modification - there is little difference.

Sparta sponsored Eugenics and it was one of the most succesful ancient civilisations.

how?

please explain this one - I'm intregued

Has Joe been watching 'The Island' by any chance?


Personally i don't think there are enough sane people in charge of this planet for us to even consider automating the creation of human life

Here's my solution to all the western world's problems.... it's sort of Eugenics, but it would work

I call it the 80/20 Krypton factor life challenge, it's attempt to re-introduce natural selection and evolution into our lives, which we're sadly lacking at the minute, to the point the human race is evolving in reverse

... basically at 16 or so every kid has to enter the challenge, we test intelligence, physical prowess, etc etc all sort of stuff, see how useful this kid is gonna be to society basically

the bottom 20% get culled

amongst other things it will stop the problem of fat/stupid/ugly people breeding faster than intelligent ones, thereby reducing the overall quality of the gene pool, be an effective brake on the population growth, will make the kids stick in at skool instead of smoking reefers, plus there'll be no more charvers

brilliant si! fully

they would still be disabled, they couldnt stand on their own and walk, therefore still disabled, saying if we remove steps doesnt cure a disability, i strongly beleive genetic science can cure alot of problems before they emerge.

as for people who enginer their kids to be born deaf, they should be imprisoned.

one of the 5 senses that humans can enjoy. saying that if theyre born deaf then they would not be bothered cos they wouldnt know sounds is still wrong, being able to hear is part of the human form, being born without hearing is being disabled. no one should ever have the right to give someone a disability

what a silly analogy, lets deal with reality - although humans can exist without the use of their legs or without vision... it is a big fucking hinderence... this has nothing to do with society and everything to do with how the body is designed to function!

but consider this, were humans, were born to walk, if we cant walk then unfortunately were are disabled in that particular way.

humans are no designed for sitting down long periods of time, our bodies arent meant for jsut sitting

Lets not split hairs over semantics, leave that to those uncapable of presenting a legitimate arguement.

A wheel chair bound olympian is relying on technology a society has manufactured to aid his DISABILITY!

Besides your focusing on physical disabilities and ignoring mental disabilities - how about someone with ocd, he has a high IQ is aware of his thoughts yet his head is cluttered with horrific thoughts every minute of the day... Are you trying to suggest that its society that makes these thoughts so hard to deal with?!?!?!?

Come again? I fail to grasp your point, we're discussing eugenics - not curing a middle aged man... Geneticists would study the family history and the genetic make-up....

Thats an archiac view of eugenics, no one has discussed sterilising parents, the core of the debate has revolved around genetic modification.

How is it pollitically incorrect to point out that the disabled are disabled.... andy youre losing it mate

you just repeated my post chuckles

you cant compaire disability alongside age. if you put that 80 year old in the same wheelchair and you set the other walking 80 yr old off who would win?

one of the small number of subjects where we agree on it.

p.s. i love you too

They lead fully productive lives because of technological advances!!!!

If they weren't dependent on others they'd find it incredibly hard to survive.

Andy you dont understand what we're discussing - we're not suggesting those with genetic disabilities can't have children, we're suggesting that the genetic make-up of their offspring can be altered before birth...

The problem gene is found and isolated during the mapping stage, several copies of this gene are made (the process is called PCR), If we were dealing with plant tissue the desired genes are transfered to the plant's own genes using a gene canon or a similar procedure (the transformation stage) and a new plant is then made from the plant tissue.

Unfortunatly I'm not a genetic scientist nor have I cloned a human - so I can't tell you the ins and out of cloning as it hasn't been done - but the process would take place long before the embryonic phase!

were you seriously suggesting I'd be able to tell you how to clone a human? This is a theological debate based on opinion... As no human has been cloned (there have been several hoax's) to expect me to explain the process is a bit far fetched.

We're talking about eugenics and whether you accept it in any of its forms, I couldn't possibly provide you a list of every disease and genetic mutation I would like to see corrected as its not my expertise, I'm stating that I'd endorse this notion... you seemed to be very opposed to any form eugenics.

You can't not explore a technology for fear of manipulation, massive areas of science have been manipulated and contorted into more sinster manifestations... but without these scientific breakthroughs mankind couldnt of made the technological leaps that he has in 30,000 years.

we're in agreement then... like most medical procedures it should be a restricted and regulated medium.