Facism or communism?

its very arguable, china is a very repressive state!

part of what communism aspires to is,

A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.

that part has worked.

but human nature has ultimatly been introduced, and the acknowledgement that now, unlike in 1916, countries cannot function in isolation.

true communism can never work, human nature of greed will always stop it!

so you would choose fascism?

neither i would find a 3rd way. fascism has some good points however i dont like the idea of living in a repressed state!

explain?

Cuba is the ideal communist state... and is still working despite huge international pressure.

And who's to say Nazi Germany wouldn't of continued to prosper if it never went to war with the rest of the world.

explain?

Greed is conditioned by envirnoment, in a true communist state greed shouldn't exist - that was the whole point of it.

Greed is a capitalist problem - it isn't human nature.

complete and utter bollocks. It's true that we have a competitive nature but we also have a strong social nature as well. The problem lies in balancing these.

Are you happy that hundreds of millions of people live in poverty while a handful live in unimaginable luxury, that vast majority of the wealth in the world is held by a tiny percentage of the population.... that's what capitalism is giving us and it gets worse every day!

Forgetting marxist economic theory for now, the basis of "true" communism/socialism is a means of organising society so that everyone's needs are looked after.... our capitalist society is structured from top to bottom to benefit a tiny handful while the rest of us aren't much more than drones to industry, if we're lucky.

Call that an unachievable utopia if you like, but I have to believe that there's a better way than capitalism!

Joe, the only reason that every communist state has been born from a bloody revolution is that no ruling class in history has given up power without a struggle.


Vive la revolution

countries at the time of the bolsivic (spelling*) revolution were not as dependant on other countries as they are now, splendid isolation of separate countries was a policy, apart from the triple entant and triple alliance ( which were military issues ), inticating the difference in international relations from the time of the conception of the communist 'ideal', and how china now has some similarities to capitalism ( as it is beginning to partisipate with western culture).

Aging punks are painful

Si, I can use exactly the same point for fascism, what are you trying to sya?

Hitler was voted in :spangled: :spangled:

Again this contradicts every communist theory I know of - the whole point of communism is a state can operate independantly.... Why should any country ahve to rely on another if you move outside of the capitlsit mind set.

list them........

oh come on intimdiation and massive propoganda was used to influence this vote.

and anyway what the fuck is your point? That the only true way to sort a country is by killing off the monarchy?!?!?!?

what are you harping on about comrad?

Im greedy.

Only Arnie can save the world.

Arnie for king.

tho it is interesting to see how people might have acted in germany mid war.

communism- many people had nothing after WW1, inflation was crippling, communism was one way of making everyone equal, and aiding german recovery.

fascism- what people had they didn't want to give up, yet unite the people by villanising one part of society and blaming the situation on them.


if you have nothing you have nothing to lose, if you have something, you could lose everything.

I don't understand? sorry... explain again

(please, I'm enjoying the arguement and want to understand what your saying so I can discredit it and gallop off on my high horse )

well,I created this post to assertain, using general consensis, how people in mid-war germany came to the crossroads were the only two main political structures were communism or fascism.

so rather than having peoples presupposed opinions on how wrong either structure was, i was looking to see, out of the two, which would people choose. Was today's more 'liberal' society able to give up everything, and live as equals,
or to pick out one section of society, and use them as scapegoats, and continue to live, all be in in a totalitarian state, knowing that they, the mainstream would be able to live comfortably.

i'm not making a statement, just investigating if peeps are willing to give up what they have for the good of everyone,

or destroy one sort of demographic to continue to live the way they are used to. ( or even improve their way of life because of it)