Faith schools

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  1. ManofScience

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    wouldn't it make sense that NO religion is taught in schools then it's up the PARENTS to get a pair of bollocks and decide for THEMSELVES whats best for their kids?

    surley loads of different schools teaching many different things to lots of isolated communities is a shite idea?


    the state should supply a basic level of schooling outside of religious freaks like Zionist Joe who's trying to convert us all?
  2. ManofScience

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    he's still trying to convert me...

    i should stop reading his religious ramblings. i bet if he had a hook and a glass eye and he was on the steps of a mosque - he's had been deported by now!


    pah... the internet has a lot to answer for... free speech and all
  3. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    most muslims and jews that attend state supported faith schools couldn't afford a private education.
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    anyway I'm off for my religious education... which the state doesn't pay for :(
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    i dont think faith shools should be soley funded by the government, a small subsidy perhaps but a state school should provide fundamental education, maths, english, science, technology, it, geography, history, foreign language, p.e and an option for specialist subjects, like art, music, media or business. its should provide students with an R.E lesson so pupils can get a basic undestanding of the faith groups. thats it, i dont believe religion should be intertwinned with education in state schools. if parents want to send their child to a specialist school then they should be prepared to send them to a private school and expect to foot the bill.
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    A belief is an expression of free will - if you want to be able to believe and do what you want within the framework of our supposed 'free' country ....then its up to you to do that imho.
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    I think we should have what they have in france where religion is seperate from the state. The schools teach comparative religion but nothing more. People who want their children to have a religious education do it out of school hours, in sunday schools and so on.

    the worst thing about faith schools is their divisiveness.

    When the only people you grow up with share your beleifs you are never exposed to other points of view you become seperated from members of your community who have a different faith and never make friends accross the divide. This ultimately leads to situations like northern ireland where people are educated in either catholic or protestant schools and never get to meet anyone from the other faith and so it's easy to come to see them as the enemy
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    when i was in school we sang hyms and so did me mam and dad and that and just becasue people with diffrent religions and peopel who come over from diffrent countrys come 2 the school sand arnt happy with it we should hav 2 change it, or certain words 2 its politicly incorrect
  9. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    lol you're all so far out of your depth that you're drowning in confusion :up:

    why are you talking of this issue as a muslim problem? The justification that most of you are using is that faith schools teach sepratism (which in England is a modern manifestation of islamophobia).

    There are 7,000 state faith schools - 589 secondary and 6,384 primary out of a total of nearly 25,000. There are 32 Jewish state supported schools and 8 muslim schools.

    British faith schools don't teach sepratism, I bet at least a quarter of this board went to a catholic school yet they haven't buried themselves in some extremist sect.

    Faith schools teach the national curriculum and the designated faith... nothing more nothing less.

    Why shouldn't Jews be able to learn both Judaism and the national curriculum in school? surely it is the choice of the parent?
  10. ManofScience

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    should all schools teach all religions then, if they want?

    religion is a lifestyle choice while education is a basic necessity for life.
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    What are you wittering on about scienceboy?

    Religion contributes far more to the nation than drama studies, the moral values that religion introduces to children is something that would be hard to replicate in any other lesson.

    Everything you learn in school (outside of science, math and english) is arguably a lifestyle choice... I don't understand how you can say that modern languages or music are valid while religion isn't?

    Religion has contributed far more to the British mindset than the Spanish lannguage has ;)

    religaphobe :p
  12. ManofScience

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    religion TELLS people what to do, basic education gives people tools to make their own choices.

    FACT (apparently, putting FACT at the end makes it true)

    argue with that g-dboy ;)
  13. ManofScience

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    aye, henry the 8th made it up so he could get a divorce!!! awesome!
  14. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    you're such an arrogant cock.

    explain to me how my lifestyle is wrong?

    better yet how can you prove that your way is right? Divorce rates are higher in secular british society, the family unit is butchered in secular british society, you don't live as long, you have far more registered depressed people, you don't achieve as much educationally, you don't achieve as much economically and so and so forth.

    You may not subscribe to what we teach... thats fine... But to label your way of doing things right when British society is riddled with so many of its own unique problems is quite some claim.
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    In your RE lessons when were you forced to accept anything as fact?
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    Considering a large proportion of the population cited 'jedi' as their religion in the census a few years back, should we have jedi focused schools as well?

    At what cut of point does a religion become important enough for the council to build a school for them with a curriculum centred around their 'beliefs' - or do we support the 'top 5' and just risk turning out more clones (albeit 5 different types of them).

    Personally i think as a world, we need to think of local/international citizenship very seriously and almost push as hard as possible for integration as possible, before we allow people to use their free will and time outside of jobs and school to pursue what they want to.

    With that in mind, i feel religion has no place in school. Im not very religious myself (apart from spiritual) and in todays current world - look at religion either being the scapegoat and/or cause of most of the worlds problems.
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    Far more people have died in the name of science and democracy than religion.

    You can't preach superiority when your solution is riddled with far more problems.

    How are they so different?

    The two main religions were born of Judaism and are all incredibly similar... Without the help of google I doubt you'd be able to tell me the differences.
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    I don't think you understand how faith schools work, they tend to be old established schools which apply for the same funds as their secular neighbours... why shouldn't they have access to the same funding - they've made the same contribution to British society as your parents, grandparents and ancestors.

    Which religion is responosible for the worlds problems?
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    The same could be said for the Big Bang (which is on the national curriculum).
  20. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    what evidence can you cite?

    I can put forward a compelling argument that alligns biblical chronollegy with modern cosmological consensus.

    We're both presenting theories.

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