Faith schools

yes

yes but the majority of faith schools aren't ethnic minorities? I don't understand why you've raised ethnic minorities.

We can only go on the history of the jews when discussing scientific achievements - as our kids haven't won their nobel prizes yet

all jews are creationists.

a huge proportion of scientific breakthroughs have been made by religious jews... I believe this to be a result of the way jews are educated... of which faith schools now play a huge part of.

The only other explanation would be jews have an "intelligent gene" which I find hard to believe

well I guess you're entitled to believe whatever you like and to keep two opposing beliefs in your head at the same time but it's hard to see how you can have Adam and Eve and the seven days stuff existing in the same universe as the scientific discoveries of the past 100 years.

was it charles darwins thery of evolution?

it still is

scientific theory compliments genisis.

In 1929 Edwin Hubble announced a remarkable observation. In every direction he looked, every galaxy in the sky was moving away from us. This was our introduction to Big Bang theory. To visualize this expansion imagine the Universe as a rubber sheet being stretched, if we were to stick pins into various positions of this sheet the pins remain the same size while the distance between them grows… This pattern is precisely what Hubble observed.

This expansion of the universe not only stretched space, but time itself... modern science tells us that time at the beginning of the universe was very different to the time we experience todat (the actual difference is 1 to 1,000,000,000,000)

This takes us back to creation, would any semi-intelligent person propose that 1 day at the conception of the universe would be equivelant to 24 hours today? Of course not, 24 hours isn't even the same on Jupiter.

If were at the beginning of time looking forward the earth would still be on the sixth day

The first day lasted 24 hours but the duration of that day from our perspective eould be 8 billion years.
The second day 4 billion years.
The third day 2 billion years.
The fourth day 1 billion years.
The fifth day half a billion years.
The sixth day quarter of a billion years.

Aging the universe 15 and 3/4 years, not bad considering the Torah was wrote down millenia ago... But it doesn't stop there if we then go onto compare biblical chronology of creation with modern sciences chronology of evolution the two are again one and the same.

On day one according to the bible all that existed was light and this was 15,750,000,000 years ago modern science states the same for 15,750,000,000 years ago.

On day two the bible states there was seperating of waters (this is open to interpretation but I believe it ot be the seperation of atmospheres with the introduction of gasses/liquids to the universe) which according to the bible happened 7,750,000,000... i don't have the scientific data.

On day three the bibles states that earth was created 3,750,000,000 years ago, modern science says it was created 4,500,000,000 years ago.

On day three there is also the first recordings of life 375,000,000 years ago, modern science first records life 330,000,000 years ago

Day 4 see's the modern atmosphere/visible sun: 1,750,000,000 to 2,000,000,000

Day 5 see's the first fish 750,000,000 to 500,000,000

Day 6 the first mammals 250,000,000 to 200,000,000

So you can sit there and be dismissive of genesis but don't assume for one second that it contradicts modern science... Far from it, for thousands of years Jews have being aging the universe.... For men 3 thousand years ago to not only know the age of the universe but the order in which events occured is truely extrodinary.

I quoted it from a blog I never finished.... in which I attempted to expanded on schroeders work (unfortunatly I wasn't as smart as schroeder and my blog remains unfinished).

But most of the figures are my own, with the biblical figures borrowed from schroeder.

I'll roughly break it down, the first single celled organisms started appearing in our oceans between 3,300,000,000 and 3,602,000,000 years ago... this was the first recorded life on earth.

The atmosphere we know today was started to form between 1,500,000,000 and 2,000,000,000 years ago... This atmosphere is known as the third atmosphere - the second atmosphere was made up of carbon dioxide, amonia and steam... It is my believe that this steam would of masked the sun (similar to clouds masking it today).

If you want to google the other first recorded life forms I mentioned a quick google will confirm what I stated.

As for the biblical timelines, they are extracted from calculating the age of the universe looking forward, to understand this I'll quote you the relevant text from schroeder:

The Torah is completely inaccurate.

This is where interpretation comes into play, g-d does not recreate the seventh day again and again and again, yet every week we witness the shabbat... I believe the shabbat is a reference to what comes after the end of days (hence the holy nature of it and the lack of creation... once the creation/evolution/whatever is complete we will reach the seventh day).

Of course evolution will finish, it is a phenomenon of this space time continuim, this universe was fniely tuned to support life and when this universe comes to an end... so will life.

I'm not trying to make you believe anything? Both yourself and forks have been mocking genesis, forks asked if I believed in... I explained my beliefs.

As for the seventh day, what happens in this space time continuim and wherever hashem exists are in my opinion two seperate things, we witness the 6 day creation as we are part of it... but what happens next we don't experience until the end of days... We are reminded of this by the shabbat, but we wont experience it for some time yet

Just don't be so quick to dismiss us religious folks, Jews have enlightened for much longer period of time than you europeans a couple of millenia ago moses had documented the order of evolution.

God is a dj

Solutions and remedies
Enemies becoming friends
When bitterness ends
This is my church

Ive signed up to this faith(less) school so yes lets here it for faith schools

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Joe - you ADMIT your people wrote that book? the biggest lie EVER - no wonder the world hates you


saying that, i haven't read much of it. i did look up that pulp fiction quote once in a hotel - it wasn't as samuel jackson said it - i was very disapointed

No it hasn't been proven, there are two schools of thought neither capable of disproving the other....

My people didn't write the book, moses did... but the words were hashems.

with the exception of the last chapters - we are oblivious to who concluded the story.

again where is this prove?

Your end quote just confirms everything i said... there are two schools of thought in which neither have been able to disprove the other!

how?

Einstein put forward the notion that their are two types of determinism casual and predictive; cd states that evey event is determined by previous events; while pd states that if we have knowledge of the causes of events and the laws of nature then we can determine future events.

To comprehend this think of rolling a dice, if you know the angle it will fall from, the force at which it will hit the surface, the direction of the fall and the way it rolls then it is possible to calculate the the face the dice will land on.

What may seem like chance is governed by order.

How can you disprove this? All Einstein is saying that what we now label as chance is actually predetermined, it merely seems like chance as we haven't the knowledge to calculate the results.

How can mathamatics or anything else disprove this? Its a theory which has split the science community in two.

day 1 light.
ok

day 2 dividing the waters......
a wonderful term which can be made to mean whatever you choose to make it.

day3 dry land and sea, vegetation, trees and fruit
fruit!

day 4 sun and moon
bit tough on the fruit to have no sun for 1 billion years

day 5 birds and fish
bit tough on the fruit to have no birds to eat it and spread the seeds

day 6 men and animals
hurrah here we go


It's a creation myth invented by a society who were looking for meaning to their lives thousands of years ago. In parts it is quite beautiful but to squirm around trying to fit it to modern cosmology is desperate. it's like the debate about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
the bible is either literally true or it is a set of stories made up by man. Every time there is a new scientific discovery which contradicts it the faithful tie themselves up in knots trying to explain how the bible really meant to say that all along.

lol you're a typical arrogant gentile.

You're citing English translations and attempting to speak with authority on a text you couldn't begin to comprehend, lets look at the days:

day 3:

You're quoting just one of the english translations, the hebrew is: "Veyamar elohaim tadshe haaretz deshe eshev mazriah zere etz peri ose pri lemino asher zaro bo", the hebrew words for tree and seed can be applied to a much broader spectrum of plant... it could arguably be used to describe the first funghi (we know of) that developed over 1.3 billion years ago.

day 4:

It does not mention the creation of the sun, it mentions appearance of the sun... again if you can't read hebrew (nevermind biblical hebrew) why are you attempting to interpret the Torah?

day 5

Archaeopteris existed long before birds

I can't stand arrogant pricks like yourself forks, you're attempting to disprove a text you've never even read? How can you possibly comment on that you don't understand?

i don't see how people can take the bible as truth - old or new testament

it's not.

if you must have some sort of justification in life believe in/follow something thats NOT claiming it created/owns the world - just it lives in harmony with it - Buddhism

there's nothing to suggest the universe wasn't created... you wont find one cosmologist that would say the universe wasn't created... they may have their own theories on conception of the universe - but no sane scientist will rule out the possibility of creation as to rule something out without disproving its validity contradicts science.