FAO Tory Boy (a.k.a Jambon)

I think Joe should run our country.

I fail to see your point??? At no time could a communit goverment work in this country??? We are greedy?? We are not going to change???

Well you & your family seem to be doing well out of it.

Does the words "FILTHY RICH" ring any bells? Hardly the speak of an anti-capitalist.

As there have been no authoritarian socialism states it would be wrong to comment. Communism is idealist & good reading material.

You enjoy politics... i suggets you read Das Kapital - you'd even form your own opinions instead of reciting new labour shit (if your party doesn't know what they stand for what chance ahev you got )...

However I agree, too much time has passed in this country for a revolution to occur... It would fo happened at the peak of the inudstrial era when sunerland docks were in full swing - I feel it was subdued (Spelling) with pensions, stocks n shares, etc. who wants to overthrow BT when you own a small percentage of the company.

This isn't an arguement that communism wouldn't work though - this is an arguement for why a revolution wouldn never take place in the current environment... However you can't help but notice the communist influences which become more and more apparent every day - the government try to privatise more and more government run companies and the people wont accept it, take the NHS the government would love to privatise it lik in America b ut the british people prefer a state run system...I think its small changes like this that will bring about reform.

Its a shame, last time labour were in power they blasted out the red anthem and made these changes:

- They antionalised the bank of england, the fuel and power industries, inland trasnport, iron and steel.
- A welfare state Education for all, health for all - the nhs, welfare, etc.
- Gave india back to inida.

This time round what have they done?

- went to war for oil

HOW CAN YOU BE NEW LABOUR AND PROUD?!?!?!??!?

p.s. Paul so does my mother - great minds think a like

It is! I would love to live in Moore/Elton world

lol its a well known fact jews prosper in capitlist envirnoments.

There are a number of systems that are examples of how a sharing, egalitarian and non authoritarian system of production can exist in a human society, most noticeably among the Israeli Kibbutzim of earlier days. In confirmation of the idea that competition promoted greed promotes competition in a viciuls cycle, when the Kibbutzim were forced to enter competition on the stock markets and so to compete for their very existance, they became corrupt, and not very far different from a capitalist company. This was not however communism failing, but the subsumation of Communism into a larger Capitalist state, aka Israel.

It is hard for us to understand, having seen nothing but Capitalism, greed, and corruption since the day we were born, but it _can_ and will work. No doubt there in my mind.

Harry Grigg

The influences from the leftt are a good thing, i havent disputed that. I would hate to see this country run like the US, having to pay for health care etc..... All im saying is that based on my on opinion Communism is a majorly flawed idea when pit into practice, Like the Spence says it makes good reading.

Can I ask what someone as intelligent and refreshing as yourself is doing listening to trance?!?!?!?!

but its the communist practises that seprate england from capitalist america!

they wouldn't shoot their main sponsor

who'd pay for the rifles?

Exactly and thats whats good about our system!!!


New Labour

what ahve new labour got to do with the nhs, the dole, ending imperialism?!?!?!?

They'd privatise everything at the drop of a coina dn invade as many countries as possible for money.

Old Labour I have love for new labour... they're just torries with red ties.

I'm just gonna make my stance on this point clear: If you refer to the classic-Marxist view of Communism, IE the absence of state and unregulated poduction for the communal good, I would agree that in a large society I don't think it would make a stable system ( although imo it is short sighted to say categorically anything that is based on something so unpredictable as human relationships is flat out impossible).

I am an advocate of a Statist Communist system, aka what Das Kapital would call an evolved form of Socialism before the transition to Communism, but what is regarded today as Communism itself.

Adopting a Leninist pragmatic approach to Communism, it is silly to stipulate as Marx did that any one path to Communism is the only possible one ( ie revolution, coup d'etat, etc. ) Whether the socialism is achieved by revolution, democratic victory ( ala Engels' theorm), and whether it is a Dictatorship of the Proletariat followed by Democracy or by devolved democracy, is not the issue to me.

What is the issue is that a Communist system should be: Accountable, through either direct democratic or Council democratic control, AFTER it has been established by a dictatorship of the proletariat; Centralised, in terms of decision making and resource allocation; and Equitable before Efficient, in terms of its policy tools.

/rant off.

it doesnt work because of human nature....