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dont get me wrong, i marvel at it with wonder and awe. when u look at how certain creatures have evolved and adapted to their environments "naturally" its amazing. but just because i cant explain it in a logical way does not lead me to put blind faith into someone elses stories.

i am quite surprised at the revelations that ya family are not religious tho

i've never told him to stop pushing his beliefs, he never has with me. just puts his views across and defends his beliefs.

But you've never read those stories?

And how are they any different from the stories relating to big bang? there isnt a shred of evidence that a big bang occured, there are merely indicators which suggest a big bang could of been one of infinite alternatives.

Suggest 5?

scientific indicators. what indications of actual happening does religion have?

I have to go, but make sure any so-called indicators he provides can apply only to judaism and not christianity/buddhism/the flying spaghetti monster etc

so i must have a start point and size


no no NO i'm not getting involved :angry:

too late phil mate, too late!!

CMB could be the result of an ongoing process; the universe is incomplete & matter is still being created.

As matter falls into black holes, it accelerates & emits radiation, triggering a process which ultimateltly emits microwaves at CMB wavelength.

Altrnatively, solar wind loses velocity the further out it gets and as the particles slow down they exist as a particle cloud, able to emit CMB because of an interaction with cosmic rays or radiation from the Sun.

Local haze may distort more distant (and therefore less distinct) neighbour extrasolar hazes.

CMB could be a product of dark matter resonating.

None of these are my theories and I'm no cosmologist... But I'm just demonstrating that CMB can never be submitted as evidence of a BB....

I believe there was a start point.

But CMB is not proof of this, its a feature that can be adopted by infinite theorists to support infinite theories.

but it can prove a time line then? billions of years rather than 1000's

plus, not really related, but this is funny. it's not meant to be mind http://science.krishna.org/Articles/2000/08/00082.html

it takes a devoted mind to argue young world theory... most jews think its billions.

but it is IMO


and you do find the slightest of links to bring out the jewmetre and try and make every thread your in about jews or jew related

STFU and talk about somthin a little less predictable and you wont get greefed

arn't they off New Jack City ?

its not me that brings it up you stupid cunt.

aye it is, u got any views on clubbing ?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it's never you joe !!!!!

are you really jewish BTW or you just a wind up merch ?

he don't like sunny'd's cos the work on the sabbath

its for sinners

why are you on a clubbing forum then ?

tryin to save our tortured souls and bring us to the light