is digital killing the smaller nights in town?

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  1. TheSpence

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    Do you think people from Cowgate & Byker do because they are in the city boundry? Loads of people from Washington, Whitley Bay, North Shields, Bedlington, South Shields etc head into Newcastle for a clubbing fix. I think using those figures is silly as they also include thousands of people who wont go clubbing such as OAPs.
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    In answer to your Question, more than 1 & all massive nights:
    Leeds = Digital Society, Gods, Majestic, Mission & Gatecrasher.
    Glasgow = InsideOut, Refresh, The Clinic, Room At the Top, Nukleapupy, freefall
    Manchester = Native, Goodgreef, Majeefa, warehouse project.
    London = Serious, Vaccine, Prehab, The Gallery.

    Evolve (used as example being at the biggest club in town) is certainly not as well presented as any of the above nights, the bookings have been terrible & never have I came across a monthly night where they have treble booked DJ's in some cases in the space of 12 months, thoughtless. You dont see this happening with Shindig & thats weekly! They wouldn't last 2 months if at any other venue, just theres nowhere else to go & they live of passing trade from the folk who have "just went to Digital" because it's Digital?
    Junior:G could have never grew any bigger than what it was due to the type of club we were at, hence why I said up here doesn't cut it.
    I dont think it's down to the people, more so the availability of Clubs like I originally said, we have them just no interest from the promoters/club owners? they'd rather stick a RnB or Student night on, which is a dead cert money maker, other cities seem to have the backing. Up here we have 1 'Super Club' if you like, then the Cosmic Ballroom, which if you compare to other Cities isn't up to much when you look at what venues any of the above nights are held.
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    Nail on Head.
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    Dont agree with stats but your point view is good one :up:
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    geezer speaks sense.

    there aren't enough latin-jazz-afrobeat nights in newcastle it's fucking shit. somepeople have conspired to hold the scene back!!:lol:
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    For the Record:

    This is no reflection an any nights held at the Cosmic. Habit etc.. are bouncing atm & are doing exactly what they intended when it was set up. Im merely speaking from a genre point of view:)
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    I know a great venue & may see if my money man will stump up cash to see if we can make it happen. Then approach the venue.

    Dont ask for the name though:lol: :wink:
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    cummon spence......
  9. Conway

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    spot on.

    and you'd be surprised how many people from Consett, Stanley & the surrounding areas go to the town to escape the utter shite that is Trades, Monty's etc... Every time I'm down the town I bump into loads of mates from that neck of the woods...

    my personal thoughts on the trance thing (not necessarily correct) is that its been in decline for a while. Looking at the dig, they seem to have got their booking policy spot on - they don't seem to pigeonhole themselves into a particular genre of house, and with the sheer depth and variety of music, producers and djs that fit the shindig sound means they can be fairly adventurous and varied with who they put on.

    Trance wise, there isn't that much variation in styles or artists, and from past experience there doesn't seem to be that many names that pull people in. Anyone who's been on here a while will remember when vuzz got goldenscan on and noone (well very few people) turned up. I remember times when mark deakin asked people on here who they'd want to see on and when he booked them, the people on here didn't bother going... (maybe they're just all internet clubbers ;))

    Evolve seem to do the sensible thing of putting on a big name guaranteed to make the numbers up, and usually a less known name along side them. Its very similar to what promise did before it.

    There doesn't seem to be the trance following up here that there once was - at its peak I had mates who would go to foundation every friday to see whoever was on at promise, towards the end you'd only see them there once every 4 months or so - they seemed to grow out of it and interest themselves in different music.
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    real stats. not just pulled out of the air. national census 2001. anyone can look them up and check. (not wanting to sound like a smart arse)

    it's as simple as this; more people means more clubbers, more clubbers means more clubs, more clubs means more club nights. newcastle IS a small city and is pretty much running at full tilt at the moment. people need to see that the whole music scene is spread very thinly at the moment.

    why don't you lot make the most of what you've got? you could be living in mansfield or gillingham!!!!:D
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    Your right mate, a lot of this is totally spot on.
    I do think there is still a market up here hence why were starting in May at the Uni, suppose only time will tell tho. I think with a lot of the old 'Die Hards' is that when Promise ended, there was too much of a gap before anything came back up & musically the town changed so much with Digital stepping in & nights popping up here & there. But from playing around here alot recently & also going to Promise the crowd is still there, just replaced with different cliques/groups. I think the sad thing with Evolve is that booking wise, it's picked up where Promise left off - in a rut. The night could be so much more if thought out a little better & I dare say one of the best in the North, it's just disappointing & so frustrating to watch it. Why settle for you club being 'fairly busy' & happy that things are just ticking over when you could potentially be regarded as one of the most cutting edge nights around with forward thinking bookings at one of the most highly regarded clubs around?

    **counts to 10 & lights up tab** :lol:
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    Look at the people behind promise and evolve though, no offence meant to richard & mark m, but it's almost the same setup (minus deakin). Evolve seems to be promise mk2, but with eleqtrika instead of the always room. The evolve lot are sticking to what they know best - deakin tried the whole "who would you like to see on at promise?" thing on here and it didn't work.

    I think to an extent you're running into what jamesclimax described, but with promoters instead of venue managers. Rich will be playing it safe and booking names he knows will get people through the doors, instead of taking risks and booking upcoming (and less well known) names. If anything he seems to be sitting somewhere between the two and putting a big DJ and a not so big DJ on every month.

    that depends on how big a risk (as a promoter) you like to take. It's the whole bird in the hand vs. two in the tree argument ;)
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    I am not doubting your source. I dont think the cenus stats for the CITY OF NEWCASTLE = PEOPLE WHO GO CLUBBING IN NEWCASTLE.
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    Yeh your right. In answer to the original question I dont think it's killed the smaller nights (us yes unfortunately) but Habit, Error etc.. seem to be hitting the spot lately which is good to see, so it's not in their case, just upped the stakes a little booking wise which is good all round I suppose?

    Booking wise, there is so many big hitters out there now, Evolve could be something else, theres playing it safe & thoughtless bookings:
    Lashes = 3 times within a year
    Savage = Twice
    Tidy boys = Twice
    Ferry = Twice
    Marco V - Twice
    Hardwick (Although wkd booking) = Twice
    Patterson (although wkd booking) = Twice

    Just my opinion of course but I think Digitals done that night a MASSIVE favour, if at any other club it would have been dead & burried months ago.
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    (writes that one down)
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    sounds like they should all be made residents :lol:
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    It would be like InsideOut, I think the only people that aren't residents in the UK there are me & my Mother:lol:
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    ouch :lol:

    if thats been the shape of their lineups for the last year then I don't think they can keep it up - there's only so many times you can put the same names on at a monthly night before people get bored and look elsewhere.

    And as you've rightly pointed out, the trance scene is better represented in other parts of the country :up:

    If that does happen I can't see digital being interested in keeping them there...
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    yeah but works like that in all cities, people who live in birkenhead go to liverpool and likewise people in oldham will go to manchester. again, i was simply pointing out that newcastle (and surrounding area!!!!!!!!) has less people so therefore less clubbers that's all. this is an irrefutable fact.

    damn i big the toon up and get shot to pieces. hate to think what you lot would be like if i dared to criticise!!!

    peace. :love:
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    Have a apple:wink::)

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