is digital killing the smaller nights in town?

evolve night change = end of junior g = FACT

you can't base your conclusion on the evidence of early feb

of course town is going to be busy - its when everyone has come out from their winter / post xmas hibernation / payday relief......you dick

my lass says u had some on,im not fashionable so i couldnt tell u if u did or not....were was that purple tie thou,id a seen that baby a mile off

Personally, I don't have a problem with Digital at all. We have been trying to start something off since the turn of the year, but it's proving difficult, frustrating and unfair.

name names dude

it aint detox

we are in hibernation

carbonite hibernation

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Nothing about you lot mate, don't worry. Just lack of venues really the main point I was trying to make

The Venues are there dude, there just reluctant to have the nights both you & I are trying to push, which is a shame as every other City in the UK seems to be thriving, up here (other than the Cosmic & Digital) there filled with RnB & student nights it's a safe bet with promoters, they know the nights gunna be rammed & packed with toosh, which in turn attracts lots of men, it's a no risker & maximum return, trance wise Newcastle isn't much cop in comparison to Leeds, Manchester, Glasgow London...

its all fine and dandy comparing newcastle with cities that have far greater populations, leeds has twice as many , manchester has over a 4 times, as does glasgow, never mind london (8 million people)!! make a real comparison by looking at cities and towns of a similar size like mansfield, or gillingham for example! then you'll see that newcastle is doing pretty damn well.

i am a geordie and fiercely proud of how much has come from such a small place but honestly people need to get some fucking perspective here. the toon is a small city at the wrong end of the country and does fucking well to make the waves it does. this does not mean that everyone should start the backslapping but get on with showing the world what we got!

viva la toon.

I tend to work on the catchment areas rather than population figures. Because I am in North Tyneside but I dont do much drinking or clubbing in Killingworth or Wallsend.

totally agree mate

do you really think that there masses of people in consett of ashington or hexham willing to travel 20 or so miles into newcastle on a work night to go to a minimal techno(or similar genre) week in week out?

this is a simple as more people = more amenities.
all i'm saying is that even if you do count all the surrounding towns newcastle is still alot smaller than other cities mentioned. just facts and figures.

I am a proud Geordie, don't get me wrong, have lived in Newcastle for all but one of my 33 years and would find it very, very difficult to move from the city.

The point Proudy made was the point I was trying to make (although put forward much better by you mate! )

The venues are there, and if you put on a good enough party (decor / DJ's / atmos, etc) then people will come. But persuading the venues to take a chance at it is tricky. There really should be one, or two alternative venues for house-orientated (and trance, etc) nights / events, other than the venues already occupied by the smaller-ish nights.

I'm not trying to disrespect any nights / promoters / clubs, as I have far too much respect for the likes of Danny et al @ Habit, etc.

As a CITY, our CLUBBING population is just as big as Leeds, Glasgow or Manchester? London I will agree with, when you think of something so easily accessible as the Metro which connects places like South Shields, Sunderland, Ponteland/Airport as quick as a 30 minute journey we have a HUGE population?? With a train journey that takes less than 45 minutes to get to places like Boro then were talking even bigger?

The point wasn't that as a City were doing poorly on the Music front, more so as a genre - Trance, which I originally stated we dont really cut it up here? Do Mansfield or Gilingham have clubs like Digital, 2 Universities, a whole Quayside of Clubs...? No. Hence why I compared us to the bigger cities where clubbing wise we have the equivalent, just not happening as much GENRE WISE.

Yeh exactly, as a City we have Shindig (MASSIVE) Wax: on, Habit, Error, freaky. It's more variation were lacking at more than 2 clubs that hold them, trance wise we dont compare to the likes of InsideOut, Godgreef, Passion, Gods, Slinky, Digital Society...

aah but is this not the time honoured clubland catch 22? i have the utmost respect for anyone who is willing to put their time, effort, money and respect on the line for the music they love. the reality ,as many of you might know, is that clubs are buisinesses and have to make money too. trying to convince a hardened nightclub owner to let you put on a glitch-tech-dub-trance-euro-rave night cos "it'll be rammed" just doesn't work anymore. people need to come with facts and figures, and it's hard to be a trailblazer... it just takes one.....

as i said i also have a huge amount of respect for any of the promoters out there trying to propell their music forward to a wider audience, but you've got to just keep plugging away!!

viva la toon!!!

How many of them run in one city though?

All genres of music in Newcastle are well represented, if there was a demand for a night to cover a certain genre then someone will do it; Theres so many little nights doing the oddest of genres.

Just accept that not as many people in Newcastle like trance as much as you lot do.

I didn't think you were trying to disrespect anyone James?

I was just seeing what you meant about how was all 'unfair' etc

Carlito is right about Newcastle being nowhere near the size of the other major cities in UK/options. I know it must be frustrating to not have a venue - however, what about looking to do things on bank holidays or mid weeks (students) to start instead...

Even a monthly night can be A LOT of work and this way you could build a night/brand and then if the opportunity arises you could slot in monthly. Plus if you have recent gigs that have done well then you can use that when speaking to the clubs.

you should look up the populations of these cities; leeds 700,000+, manchester 2 million+, glasgow 1 million+, newcastle 250,000+, tyneside as a whole has less than 1 million!!! these are from the last census in 2001 so they will be a bit more now.

what i was mearly pointing out that these cities are vast in comparison to the toon and that the scene is thriving here. other towns and cities of a similar size aren't doing so well! yes there are 2 big(ish) universities up here, but "clubbers" do nothing but complain about "students"! i left newcastle in 1996 and there wasn't half the stuff going on that there is now.... why is that do you think?