Man-made global warming.... biggest myth of this century

You've got a real chip on your shoulder haven't you

Re: Man-made global warming.... biggest myth of this century

Bjorn Cohen Ljomborg...

People get proper carried away by the all this global warming shite, just because we have a few freak weather disasters and a hot summer. There's points in the earths history that were the same, the worlds temperature fluctuates and it happens quite quickly, an ice age can occur over a few thousand years.

The oil/gas isn't running out either, there's so much more out there to be drilled, don't panic! Fusion will be the power of the future anyway.

we're talking years and years before owt bad could happen. If that's the way things go then so be it, maybe it's the fate of the human race. We'll die out and another species will evolve just like we did. Monkeys maybe

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Lomberg even.

The UK's supplies are in decline (we are already a net importer of gas and have been for the last few years), as they are in most of continental Europe. Only Norway is increasing its production at the moment with the Ormen Lange field starting production in October this year. There is gas and oil elsewhere, but it is becoming more and more expensive to extract as we are tapping more difficult fields, and there is no guarantee that the countries that have it will share anyway. It is a finite resource, and we should be careful with it. It's all very well to say that fusion will be the power of the future, but don't put too much belief in that until we know we can actually do it.

And how are we going to produce the energy to power these electric cars? At the moment it would be by burning fossil fuels!

Yes, renewable energy is often more expensive, it is also often unpredictable (think wind and wave generation), takes up a lot of room (which pisses off the nimbys) etc etc. Nuclear generation is great, but there is only a limited amount of nuclear fuel too. It takes at least ten years from planning a nuclear station to it actually generating, not to mention the good old nimby issues.

With the implementation of the Large Combustion Plant Directive next year, coal fired power stations without flue gas desulphurisation equipment will only be able to run a certain amount of hours per year, we closed two Magnox power stations on 31 December last year, with more nuclear to close in future, and we aren't building enough other power stations to make up the difference at the moment, meaning in the short to medium term there will be a shortage which will cause prices to rise. Hopefully this will encourage new electricity supplies as they will make more sense economically.

So, energy efficiency is the key!

andy that graph clearly shows as fuel consumption went up the temprature dipped... from 1940-1970.

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Re: Re: Re: Man-made global warming.... biggest myth of this century

Pedant.. I had the Sceptical Environmenalist next to me when I wrote that

My take on it is the ice age - inter glacial thing is all fine and well, but how do you offer a plausible explanation for the almost concurrent correlation of rising global temperatures and rising emissions since roughly the begining of the industrial revolution?

also Joe, I think I'm correct in saying that the conditions that increase temperatures have a significant lag time? so the temparture decreasing may have more to do with reduced fuel consumption / manufacturing from pre WW1 through the post war economic decline and great depression and into WW2 and so on, returning to its rational trajectory in the 50's..

that almost makes sense if you fiddle with the chronology of the chart.. that aside assumption that this chart will provide an answer to the question is a fairly erroneous assumption as we've already noted fuel consumption is far from the only binding factor...

Think of ths next time you drink soya milk or any soya product presented as being 'eco friendly' or some kind of vegan feted alternative..

I was talking about palm oil for electricity generation. In terms of land use for food, it takes significantly more land per kg of food produced to produce meat than it does for vegetables.

If you took a straight line average through both sets of data there's fairly close direct correlation.

I think this is a fair guess (red being fuel, blue temperature):

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and I was talking about the fact fron'tier like Soya plantations ravage vast areas of tropical rainforest ala Chipco...

but if you are talking energy... they then have to be trucked out of the rainforest, and have to be shipped halfway across the world and processed which uses far more energy and produces far more emmissions than a dairy farm in Wales..

Explain then.