Oakenfold on the future of DJ'ing

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  1. Chris_Spence

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    couldnt of sed it better myself Marty!
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    Hairy's right, a bit long winded but right :p
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    made a hell of a lot of sense to me mate :up:
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    Definatley, but its also good that DJ's are trying new things, he's right about the majority of what he's saying and I agree with him!
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    Once people get the issue of digital rights management nailed down - it will allow artists to produce and distribute material quickly and safely and not need to worry too much about freeloaders.

    I for one support digital downloads, one of my mates has went from an unknown lad in his bedroom and a few composing programs... to having his tunes played in superclubs and eventually being pressed on vinyl..... something which could have never happened if it wasnt for technology and the internet.

    Stores like bedrock.co.uk actually encorage me to buy music rather than sitting around on dc++ waiting a week for a queued download to start. When you can get a 320kbps mp3 for 2.50 its amazingly well priced and ultra convenient.
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    All big dj's will be playing fully of cd within 5 years imo.
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    How would you get your tune pressed to vinyl if it's been phased out coz everyone's using downloads, as I said it is very good for people making their own tunes, but it should never replace vinyl,

    Would you REALLY pay for a download if you knew someone who had it? No, because your not getting a product, it looks and feels the same as any other cd you care to copy it onto, I buy records not only for the music, but because I like the whole product - artwork, sleeve, the feel of taking it out of it's wrapper for the first time etc. You can never get that from downloading someones tune and sticking it on a blank cdr.

    We are currently shaping what will happen with this sort of stuff and we can either use it like it should be used - by producers with ORIGINAL material they want to play out or test or give to others to test, or we can let the cheapskates who just want to copy everything from their mates and then have a full collection of records overnight take it over, and that will kill independant labels and artists.

    And the only reason big DJs will be using cds is because:
    a) they're a bunch of lazy bastards and can't be arsed to lug records all over the world, and
    b)they get sent nearly all the vinyl that's released anyway so don't need to worry about buying it, they can keep it nice and safe at home - where it'll be worth loads in ten years as technics 1210s won't exist anymore:monkey: :monkey: :monkey:
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    His last album Bunnka was decent enuff.
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    You could argue that DJ's are a bunch of lazy bastards anyways for not playing their own music live, and instead they are playing pre-recorded stuff. Surely a purist would be bringing samplers/drums/synths to a gig? Where do you draw the line on what is right and what is wrong.

    Its like your saying that dj'ing as an art was nailed down at one point and has to stay in that zone otherwise its being ruined.

    At the end of the day if people didnt like the music or the way it was being played they wouldnt turn up and support the dj's or clubs would they? Thats why some people goto promise, and some people go to blu bambu aint it?

    If thats the case... does it really matter if a dj is using a pair of vinyl decks and a 2 channel mixer..... or if they are using a pair of CDJ's and a laptop running ableton live and efx units?

    I just cant say my nights have been any worse for the fact a dj was using vinyl, or cd's or wave files (which is what PVD / J00F / etc use) ....

    ... Its like saying we should all stick to driving model T fords made by hand in a labour intensive factory in america, instead of a precision cut and crafted ferarri made using CAD programs, laser welding, carbon fibre etc etc.

    Thats my thought anyways, i fully respect the purist views on things also.

    Bringing it back to the main point of this topic which was that we have Paul Oakenfold ragging on current trends in production and dj'ing ... when it just comes across like he's jealous that his time is pretty much up as being at the top of the industry, and is pulling stuff like 'cds are too easy' 'pcs are too easy' to make it look like he's still hip.
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    Not all all, but when we were all told that sinclair C5s were the future of driving, coz they wanted to replace cars witht a new revolutionary electric car that would improve our driving lives forever, a few people jumped on the bandwagon, but eventually everyone realised it was shit and went back to improving cars, and making them better

    Besides we weren't REPLACING cars or trying to phase them out by replacing them with a new version of car we just made production more efficient, which then cuts the cost for everyone.


    If vinyl were as cheap as cds to reproduce it would even have got this far, the majors don't want people to buy vinyl coz it's more expensive to make and there isn't as high a profit margin on it.

    I know I've been going on a bout this but it is really important to the growth of the music scene that vinyl is always readily used and available along with digital media.
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    you argue that big djs are lazy for playing cds over vinyl...

    but what choice do they have...they play what they are sent by labels, which is mostly cds now...cheaper, faster etc

    although i do miss the artwork on the sleeve!
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    Don't get me wrong, if you read my post you'll see I do actually think CDJs have a valid place in peoples set ups, I'm just worried that the people who make the music aren't really going to see any of the money from it coz even though the downloads are for sale there is no real incentive to by them, the copy you get from your mate will be identical in every way to his that he downloaded so why pay for it, you aren't getting anything real, so why pay?
    Would you stop your mate from copying a track he wanted if you'd payed to download it?

    As long as vinyl is available it at least gives people the option if they want soomething tangible and real then they can have it, if not then they can just copy it and play it off cdr like they are already, but this notion that vinyl should be got rid of is ridiculous, it's like saying that because low fat spreads are better for you than butter that we should get rid of butter altogether, you've got to at least leave people the option, that's what this beautiful democracy we live in is about.

    I do hope I'm wrong, because I agree that it doesn't matter what medium you play your music on as long as you do it well, and people enjoy it, but it's far too easy to copy and distribute digital media which means ultimately the artists will loose out.
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    I think it depends on the music, I hardly get any cd promos, only really albums, nearly all the techno stuff I'm getting still gets promo'd on vinyl, but I suppose if you want to have your tracks heard really quickly cd is better, and for the bigger styles (trance, house etc) I think they have to do that with most djs because there are that many DJs the labels' want to have play their tunes, that they would have to press up about 500 copies to give them all which costs a hell of a lot more than making 500 cds, and if it's just to promo something you don't want to be spending 500 quid, especially if you're only a small label starting out.
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    actually if any of my mates wanted to copy my cds of downloads i have paid for i would tell them where to go!

    i do realise that most people will d/l anything they can get their hands on, but i hope that attitudes change and people put their £££ where their d/ls are and sort it out!

    if the option is there to buy either the cd or vinyl, i still go for vinyl everytime, but in most cases you have to wait a god month if not more before the vinyl is kicking around!
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