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Bar work?

How are they gonna have the highest paid jobs? A degree is no guarantee of anything.

Didn't say it was. Talking in general terms here.

so what?

im saying you are being a leech from borrowing all that money while at uni, while yes, actually you could work in the spar for your keep, but you choose not too, making yourself in massive debt when you come out, which means you probably will have a high paid job[edit-be that bar staff, macdonalds or company manager], pay tax, but even students who work pay tax on what they earn, council tax will be something you can afford from your massive salary and you will stilll have to pay your loan off on top of all that. so while it may seem like you are getting a free ride now, you may not be when you graduate.

That wasn't my point. My point was, people that have a go at students for not paying tax. Calling them a 'leech', whereas as you've just stated we don't get a free ride! In the end the students will have payed more tax than the people that weren't students. Generally speaking!

In general terms a fancy degree counts for very little. Unless you're going into law or something. In fact in my experience in the film and animation industry graduates are looked down...you hire someone straight out of uni and you end up having to completely re-train a jumped up kid who thinks they know it all.

Whereas someone who has started small and worked their way up has far greater experience of how a production pipeline works, a far better grasp on the realities of the business and in my experience a far better attitude.

In my experience this can also be applied to design graduates too.

Don't get me wrong education is a great thing but to be honest most of the people I know with the "big" jobs dropped out of school at 16, worked 6 times harder than any poncy graduate to get where they are, earn 6 times as much money, and deserve it 6 times as much.....................generally speaking, of course.

Sorry to go a bit off the subject!

Your experience is going to be of the people you meet day in day out, and in film and design or whatever that is probably true. What about specialist areas of work like, doctors, dentists, engineers, accountants, scientists... can't get into them without a degree.

I said, "Unless you're going into law or something"

And FYI I know an accountant who doesn't have a degree, and also someone who works as a scientist at proctor and gamble.

yeah obviously there are going to be exceptions. But in general graduates will be on a higher wage than a non graduate. And as a result will pay more tax throughout their lifetime. Therefore the term leech applied to students is not justified!

im saying you are a leech by not working and totting up a massive amount of debt rather than putting some work in? some would say you have taken the easy way out.

Although my degree didn't lead me directly into a vocational area, it did give me a lot of valuable life experience and shows potential employers I have the dedication to stick at something for three years, not the easiest thing in the world when you consider now most students have a couple of P/T jobs to pay for their studies.

I would never consider my time at university wasted as I did broaden my horizons and develop skills I think are useful, research skills, debating, English language and a general interest in the world.

Oh yeah and that 10k debt, that's def made me the woman I am 2day.

As for being leeches, I never worked harder than I did at uni and I am now at college. At uni I had 2 jobs, at college I commute 100 miles approx round trip every day. I found work life pretty much an easy ride compared to studying, and 10 percent off at TOPSHOP didn't make life a whole lot easier.

How do you knwo I don't work?! The majority of students work while studying and therefore pay tax. Agreed we don't pay council tax but still get taxed. And my point that overall in life graduates will pay more tax than a non graduate (the ones that tend to slate studetns!)

Plus the easy way out??? Students do work hard you know! The stereotype of a student is absolute bollocks. A dissertation that takes a year, endless hours spent researching in a lab in my case... I'd say that's fairly hard!

I thought students didn't have to pay tax?!

by saying what would you do if you couldnt borrow 12 grand - work in a spar?!!!

that implies you borrowed 12 grand and wouldnt even consider working to pay your way? non?

this is what started the debate, not whether graduates pay more tax than non graduates ( the ones who tend to slate students that is!)

nah they pay tax IF they work.

I didn't eman it in the context of I can't be arsed to work to pay my way through uni. I meant that if I didn't get the loan I wouldn't be able to go to uni at all.

And the majority of us do!

ok. but why couldnt you go? the fees? or the upkeep?

If you earm enough to pay tax, you pay tax, simple as. If you only work over the summer hols there is a specific exemption form you can fill in, but say if I worked at your shop three afternoons a week plus Sat and my wages were high enough I would be taxed aye.

I didn't pay any NI when I worked in a call centre while at uni, so the IR wrote to me a few months ago and asked if I wanted to make up the difference to avoid gaps in my contribution history.