Pointless

The evidence for my theory is based upon particle physics - its based on the observation of particles, and the determination that their movement is nonrandom and, crucially, it's predictable - if you hit a snooker ball into a wall, I can predict the angle it will bounce off the wall at, and the speed, provided I know the original position and speed.

Your evidence for god consists of one old book, which you have for reasons best known to you selected over all the other old books as the basis for your life.

My model has value in a predictive sense, therefore, and is verifiable from experimental data.

Relglion, if the Jehovahs witnesses round mine the other day are anything to go by, has no value whatsoever in a predictive sense. Different relgions predict the apocalypse, the second coming of the messiah ("soon" they said, illustrating their point with a quote from a bible saying it would happen when man became 'greedy' and 'fought others' - so any point in the past 4000 years I pointed out), the end of man etc etc depending on which one you choose to believe.

Without exception, they have failed and continue to fail in a predictive sense because they are based on nothing meaningful or verifiable.

That's why my argument is not hypocritical - my theory has a sound basis.

We just arent going to ever know are we?

Either way if we find out after this life if there is another, we cannot show this to each other and the people still living in this world.

Like I say, whats the point?

With regards to religion (not that this was what the thread was originally intended to discuss), lets look at it another way, who would be 100% happy that thier child was being taught predominantly christian beliefs in a school where this had not been advertised? I was taught in West Jesmond Junior School and there was no mention of religion in school - but we learnt about christmas, easter etc - not yom kippur and rosh hashana?

I do not want my children being brought up thinking that as they have learned something at school then this is completely the truth - I believe they should make thier own minds up -

leading to - why are children baptised and circumsised? I find this really odd when you consider the child is not even able to speak that someone else should choose his religion for another. - like how its hard to become a member of the Jewish faith - but you CAN become one - how does that work out if Jews are Gods chosen people?

I cant take it seriously, and yes, you may know a lot of religious scripture

"bob was the son of henry,
henry the son of paul,
paul the son of OH MY GOD man!"

but really, what clarification or enlightenment does this bring when you both know that people bring thier own interpretations to religion in any case - so neither of you can 'debate' lets call it, about the level of correctness in anothers belief.

Man oh man, what has been started here!

Andy this is getting tedious

http://www.nucastle.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60438&perpage=15&highlight=random&pagenumber=11

On that week you proposed that the universe was entirely random, this week you’re proposing that there is strict order that can be traced to the conception of the universe (and predict any future expansions).

Your position seems to shift to compliment whatever literature you’re reading at the time… This, my friend is blind faith.

The same could be said about why are children dressed in clothes, sent to school or permitted to watch TV.

Parents prepare their children for the society/culture they wish their child to exist within, surely that’s a parents prerogative?

@ this thread


I used to have one of those No Fear tshirts at school which read

"2 things are certain....you're born, you die....what happens in between is up to you"

thought it was the coolest thing ever someone even offered to buy it off me in maths

i think my most cringeworthy no fear top was "if your not living on the edge you're taking up too much space"... even as a child i was a geek

Is she doing pyramid selling

The universe is predictable, it's just not possible to measure things accurately enough to do so.

There is good evidence that both observations are correct, and they don't contradict each other like you seem to think.

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mmmmmmm yes i concur

Sweet, that's that wrapped up then

oh yes dont u know it son

my last post before lighting the shabbat candles.

you said g-d play's dice with the universe... if you're suggesting otherwise, thats fine we agree... but next time you enter a 21 page debate please enter with a degree of certainty.

thats what I said ......... except that the same is true of religion also.
I would never claim that any scientific theory is the whole and absolute truth since new discoveries can come along at any time,
You and monkey however claim that you have the whole and absolute truth based on nothing more than some old book and traditions handed down for generations.
Just believing it does not make it so

no i haven't the torah is living... no torah scholar would claim to know the absolute truth?

so u know a pack of lies?

The meaning of the Torah changes to fit whatever scientific theories it can be twisted to as far as I can tell.

Of course it would be more useful if that information could come out of it prior to it being demonstrated otherwise, sadly it's too vague.

so what have modern Torah scholars concluded that the old ones didn't believe? and on what basis?