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  1. BRID

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    It did 10-15 years ago, then again before that.

    The economy follows cycles, boom is followed by bust .. its always happened - and it always will.

    People seem to think that just because they have money in property that somehow this time nothing bad will happen.... nobody likes to think they are going to face tough times in the future. Its human nature.

    Unfortunately there are a load of things on the horizon that spell 'recession' - Its areas like the north east that always suffer the most.
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    So why are you focussing on the bust that may (or may not) happen over the next decade or two, rather than the potential economic boom that would naturally happen at some point after any recession?

    Whichever way you look at it, property's a great investment, and always has been. There are just better times to invest than others.
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    :lol: Yeah so its worth mortgaging yourself up to the hilt and feeling the strain for 10-15 years NOW, rather than wait a while, save up, enjoy the benefits of renting ... and THEN buy a house when they are at realistic prices.

    Just knowing that boom follows bust doesnt make buying at the top of a current boom a good idea. If your house is in negative equity the bank can and WILL ask you to cover the difference between what your house is worth and what your mortgage is - if you cant do that .... repossession.

    i personally know a few people who were stung last time - its not pretty.
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    You talk about saving, but then suggest replacing mtg payments with rent payment. I didn't say it was a great idea to buy now, of course there's been and will be better times, but it's not exactly a shit idea to buy at any time- obviously not stretching yourself too much on the mortgage though if possible.

    Out of interest, do you own or rent?
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    i rent a 300 grand apartment, for 800 quid a month. Plus bills of course.

    The mortgage payments on that alone would be 1700 odd quid for interest only, or 2k+ for a proper mortgage.



    you have to be earning some serious wonga, to be able to afford a house down here - and woe betide anything ever go wrong in the house, like a boiler going or whatnot.
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    You don't necessarily have to live in a £300k pad of course ;)
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    even a 1 bedder is 200k odd.

    obviously salaries are higher, so property prices are ... the same principle is true around the country.


    .. what stays the same though, is a house price as a multiple of your salary - the average value will change as we go through booms and recessions.

    In booms, people are paying silly amounts like 5-8 times their salary for a house, and in a recession, it goes down to about 2.7-3.0 (past figures).

    ..... personally i see no point in being a slave to a mortgage by buying at the top of a boom and spending the rest of the next 25-40 years regretting it. Your a long time dead and people bang on about property being a great investment ... for what exactly? You have to live somewhere so i fail to see how for the average working person that this great 'investment' actually benefits them, apart from it costing a massive portion of their take home pay.
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    There has been talk about house prices crashing for the last few years. No-one knows when or if a crash it going to happen.

    The trick is to buy somewhere that is going up more than the market average. :D
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    What goes up... will come down.

    I'd say the trick was not to buy into a falling market. People talk about 'investment' ... but if you were buying shares, people would do the exact opposite and advise people to buy low and not at a peak.

    Nobody can afford these quarter of a million quid flats, its quite obvious - notice how the news stories these days arent exactly rosy.

    Still, people love to tell themselves property will only ever go up in value.
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    Not new buyers, no. But people who have been in the property market for a while can.

    For example, I only owe 20% of my property's value. There is no way I could afford to buy it now if I was starting from scratch! As it is, when I sell it I will be able to buy a flat in London.
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    even if their is a drop in capital values, and as long as you buy within your means, the money you save on rent is surely likely to outweigh even a 10/15% drop over the next 3/4 years.

    it is the people who stretch themselves who will be bitten by any fall in values.
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    very true.

    although its worth pointing out that if the rent you pay on a property is less than the interest portion of an equivalent mortgage - it makes more sense to rent. At the moment that is pretty much the case with alot of people (who have a 100% mortgage).

    The good thing about renting is that rents dont go up as quickly as property prices do - since the market always includes people who have rented out properties since before a boom, and this keeps things (slightly) sensible.
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    yeah but paying rent is just dead money it goes nowhere for you.

    If your paying a mortgage at least the money is kinda going back to you, and not somebody else, well not all of it anyway
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    Unless prices crash and you end up in negative equity.

    For example, you buy a house for £200,000, with a 100% mortgage. Within a year there is a property crash, and the house is now worth £100,000. You still owe the bank £200,000 (minus what you have paid off in that year, which would be practically nothing).

    Not a good position to be in.
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    renting is not 'dead money'.

    you need to stop taking stuff you overheard a guy down the social club saying, as gospel.

    what do you think the majority of a mortgage payment is .... interest..... which is 'dead money' by your reckoning. Only a tiny percentage of what you pay to the bank is actually going on your 'investment'.
  16. Alexander

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    yeah but when do house prices ever fall that much?

    and ii'll take your analogy, and say this, instead of getting a mortgage of £200,000 and only coming out with a house worth £100,000. You instead pay rent for 25 years totally £200,000. what do you come out with then? nothing!! so even if you've lost £100,000 on the house you still have a house worth £100,000, instead of nothing
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    Every ten or fifteen years
  18. Alexander

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    yeah i know what you mean but at the end of your mortage you come out with something, if you rent you have nothing to show for all your years of paying xx amounts out.
  19. Alexander

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    eh? ever since i've been born house prices have gone up and up and up.
  20. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    :up:

    it's just a case of riding out the storm....

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