smoking ban date

Welcoming it with with open arms now that ive stopped, the smells enough to make me sick these days which is always a good thing.

thats actually not ture though, cancer research actaully has so much money because so many people donate to it that they haven't got enough time to spend it all.

Cars should be banned because they pollute my lungs

all you car drivers are so selfish towards others and the planet you live in

tbh trance_fan you were the one giving it the big one about how it is your choice to leave on lights/electrical goods when you want. The power stations that power this are polluting the planet so you are more of a danger to the public than a smoker is

its got nothing to do with money, its due to the fact they would have been able to do so much more research on patients that they'd be years ahead of where they are now.

Excellent point, carbon emissions and the like should be far more important than the smoking debate, even though I welcome a smoking ban... and you can use similar arguments for banning both.

Being irresponsible with energy and cars etc and then whinging about smokers stinks of double standards.

does Passive Smoking even exist?

The difference being is that people NEED vehicles. Your exposure to car fumes is surely less than cigarette smoke in an enclosed space? Unless your hang around cars in close proxity on busy roads on a regular basis?

Yes, I did say that but I was playing devils advocate. If you had read my later posts you would know what point I was getting at; policiticans are abusing the whole Green thing to better their own agendas. Thus nullifying your point against me, although that does indeed happen.

However, you are also incorrect that me leaving on electrical goods is more of a danger to the public. Is it going to give them cancer? No.

Environmental preservation and peoples general health are two issues.

Me driving my car to work does not mean i have double standards.

correct.....its gonna destroy the planet!

True. However I will be dead by the time that happens

Seriously though, the environmental issue is obviously very important but this needs long term work and solutions. It's not comparable to smoking in public IMO. Two very different issues.

Individual people dont NEED vehicles, certainly not as many as there are on the road... it is not a necessity to our very lives. I cope more than fine with public transport. People who live/work in urban areas inhale many noxious fumes from cars and never know it, how it compares to fags I dont know but both are unpleasent to say the least.

Besides, the technology to run clean (or at least cleaner) energy cars is there, but the oil companies put paid to that being implemented. It takes many of us to stand up to the multinationals as the governments dont have the balls.

I'm not amazingly energy efficient, but I switch most appliances off at the plug, recycle and do various other small things... These things are easy and dont detract from my enjoyment of life, if everybody did these small things we would be saving vast amounts of energy. I would regard the future safety and stability of the planet as far more benificial to people's health than banning smoking. The wellbeing of the planet is undoubtably linked to our health.

And by driving your car you are polluting, however I could see how some people have a greater call for driving to work if, for example, they give lifts to others or the public transport isn't adequate. Otherwise its unnessessarily contributing to the degredation of the planet and therefore affecting billions of people. So as you pollute you potentially affect the health of more people than smoking in a bar/restaurant does, and this is double standards. Its just smoking has a bigger or louder bandwagon.

And by thinking you will be dead when this is happening is naive, we will see many negative changes over the next few decades as a result of climate change, the truth is we just dont know how quickly it will accelerate, scientists are split. Regardless, I want my children to grow up in a clean and stable environment and its not your or anybody elses right to deny them that.

Apologies for the essay

well in Smog


trance_fan - i do breathe in fumes constantly, i live in innercity London ffs

and funnily enough, the majority of cars only have one person in them...the driver

Just to touch upon my post - i'm not declaring trance_fan as the root of all evil and solely responsible for the destruction of the planet. He's only partially responsible... Chris - you're a sound lad but leaving that telly on standby means you could be a joint mass-murderer with more blood on you're hands than stalin, hitler and pol pot combined

Seriously though, we all share blame but only a few of us are trying to make small, yet significant, changes.

plus he drives a GTI.

he IS evil. he murders old people on crossings with his excessive speed.


until we're all 'Zero Carbon families' we've all got room to talk.

I rarely have any trouble with public transport, it gets me where I need to be in decent time.

The only thing I really object to is the price, which often makes getting in a car more appealing. The price of public transport is at times unfair and rediculous for the service provided.

As for the green debate, I agree, it is being used as a means to tax... but from this government do you expect anything less? There are so many other things the government could do to make Britain 'greener' and benefit normal people such as tightening building regulations as in Sweden so houses save money by not losing as much heat and therefore not using as much in central heating. But these decisions would be unpopular with bigwigs at the top of the ziggurat for whatever beauracratical reasons. This shouldn't detract from the effort each of us can easily make... yet people piss and moan about wanting to leave a telly on standby, its not hard to flick a plug switch is it?

one of the reasons smoking got banned (and don't imagine it will be long before you can't smoke in the open either) is because people do it for pleasure. The American puritan strand who got prohibition of alcohol and cannabis going in the first place think that any form of drug taking is immoral. They had to give way on alcohol but then they got tobacco in their sights and they have nearly got to a total ban (give them time)
The research on passive smoking is not as cut and dried as people have been led to believe. There are thousands of untested chemicals in the environment many of which, if subjected to the same sustained search for ill effects, would be found to cause cancer.

Without my car i'd be screwed! I do less than 8000 miles a year though and to be fair i use public transport every day for uni becuase it's cheaper and less hastle than driving..

i do turn off my tv

I was being sarcy about being dead!

Thats fair enough, and like I said there are times when using a car is the most sensible option.