The Goverment

My nephew is in http://www.theatreroyal.co.uk/whats-on/alf-ramsey-knew-my-grandfather

I am looking to change my Saturday night ticket to either tonight or the morra afternoon. But I will get there by hook or by crook.

Drop me a PM with set times etc

I would love someone (anyone!) to explain how the Torys give to the rich and screw the "working man" (whatever that is). I keep reading this in just about every thread on here but all people go on about is closing the mines and high inflation rates - both these issues screwed everyone in the country over.

The cons were not keen on the old minimum wage were they. Tend to tax cut at the top end which is seen as good for the rich. Party gets cash from the likes of Ashcroft & the Goldsmith. While Lab get money from unions.

And the abolishment of the 10p tax rate really helped the working man didnt it...hooray for Labour

Tbf most people I know on a personal level were better off because at the same time there was a tax cut for people paying from 22% to 20%. S.E.C.T you not after anyone really to list anything as you have made it quite clear you are not going change your mind.

I am willing if given a good reason. The 22% to 20% didn't really matter as everybody was hit with that 10p cut, absolutely nobody did alright out of it. It was a total stealth tax and a sneaky budget.

I will point out here that I voted Liberal. Im not happy with how the government ended up necessarily, perhaps it was the best out of a bad situation. But, for me the Liberals were the only ones actually looking to pass higher taxation to the rich and give relief to the poor.

IMO, there are a lot of people stuck in history whos basic political fundamentals are that Labour wanted the pits to stay open and the Tories didnt. Therefore by some questionable logic the Tories like the rich and Labour like the common working man. Hence they will support Labour forever more despite the blindingly obvious hypocrisy

well I've been working away in a no broadband land and just back to this shitheap.
SECT the tories are the party of the priveliged and rich. they always have been. they generally don't want things changing (hence conserve - ative) because society is generally set up to service the rich nd powerful and keep them in the style to which they are accustomed. They use fear as their main control of us all, fear of crime, fear, of strangers, fear of war fear of change. they control most of the press through a small bunch of rich and powerful press barons like Rupert Murdoch. Whenever in power they cut public services, mainly used by the poorer parts of society and allow the buildings to go un maintained, flog off what they can to their mates to turn a profit on and generally enrich the rich with tax cuts whilst blaming the poor for their poverty. Self made men tend to believe that they got their by 'hard work and talent ' and therefore deserve to be rich (basically Brids belief system) whereas the poor are feckless and stupid and idle and therefore deserve to be poor.
Our tragedy in the UK is that the past 13 years we have been ruled by a party claiming to belong to the left wing but in fact a party so traumatised by being out of power for 18 years they became Tory lite.
The only truly leftwing party for the past 30 years has been the liberals. Who have now been sold out by pretty boy Clegg.
I only hope that the Labour party can re- invent themselves as a genuinely progressive party since the Liberals are now finished. Otherwise we are doomed to hgear the sound of a boot stamping on a human face forever.
I am one depressed fuckr.
Roll on Detox

I honestly cant disagree with what you are saying to an extent. I think where I am coming from is fairness of taxes. So people who are earning millions per year should get taxed more than those who are earning thousands per year. £150k as a cut off on the highest band is mental given the era we live in. There needs to be a review of this. Working on %ages is exactly the right way to go. Unfortunately our previous government (Labour) worked on absolute £'s.

to quote one Tory from the poll tax era " under this scheme I will pay exactly the same taxes as my gardner. What could be fairer than that"

they did a u turn on it when they realised that the common man would be fucked by it.

i'd rather have labour than parties that will repeel fox hunting and reward their rich mates and want to privatise the NHS

if labour get the right leader and deputy leader in and peddle that muppet harriet harmen they will piss the next election

i voted Lib Dem, and certainly didnt want the Tories in. But after reading their combined manifesto i must say im not as worried as i thought id be.

Briddy man you go thought the Northern Rock deal was bad for fucks sake that deal will make the country quite few billions.

Browns investing/saving them banks when they were rock bottom is going to prove a money spinner.

if he hadn't bailed them out we would have seen the collapse of the entire banking sector, he really didn't want to in case any one accused him of 'nationalisation'
The banks are completely unreformed still, and it could all go belly up quite easily again. This time we would have nothing left to prop them up with. I can't see the Tories doing anything about it but maybe the Liberals will persuade them.

Forks the Cons don't trust the Libs man. Vince "Sunday Mail" Cable went from being the next Chancellor, to Business & Banks & in the end he ended up with Business.