the Illuminati

hahah .... see.... if you believe in any conspiracy theory, you're a nutter

Just because your paranoid doesnt mean they arent REALLY after you

Sounds like MOS totally caved in to the argument there like. and brid pulling 'cognitive dissonance' out of the vocabulary hat early on really took me by surprise

Apart from that there is far too much evidence to stack on top of the US admin for it not to be true in my opinion. and also - even if this is by part a deed of the illuminati (if indeed it exists), which contains many powerful people and heads of state, media and the like (Supposedly), this information would obviously be censored from the public eyes, and be made to look like BS when small leaks come out? at least that's what's been happening so far.

it's all about control and cash at the end of the day.

Outer Heaven and complete data control is nigh.

Leading in from what you said, there was a hit piece on 'conspiracy theories' last night on the BBC about the 7/7 bombings that made me feel sick after watching it.

I think the problem with alot of these discussions or 'debunkings' is that they take an 'idea' from any one of the alternative theories and then provide what they think or IS evidence to say 'hey thats not right' - This is then extrapolated and forms the basis for this amazing conclusion that because someone took a fraction of an overall set of ideas or questions that havent been answered and then proved it wrong .... then the 'conspiracy theory' is a load of rubbish.

With the 7/7 one they took aspects of the ripple effect film that were more about personal ideas than cold hard facts, and then presented THOSE to the viewer instead of other details that made compelling evidence of questions that havent been answered. Then they took the people behind these ideas and did everything they could to make them seem like complete crack pots.

At the end of the show they did all they could to basically say that conspiracy theories are being dreamed up and perpetuated by EXTREMISTS and that this basically amounted to terrorism. They told the viewer that in a mosque this saturday that there was going to be people assembling to discuss and share their thoughts on these alternative viewpoints. It was like an invitation to turn anger on people like this.

There is no doubt in my mind that many dumb, deluded people are suckered into 'conspiracy theories' as a way to draw themselves away from a world that might have rejected them, or that they have rejected. The tall tales that people dream up make more interesting reading sometimes than any book or hollywood film - ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT.....

... BUT ... and this is the crucial bit, is that these nutters are used as the basis for disregarding any fragment or evidence that there could be more to a story than meets the eye. These 'theories' are a lot of ideas being thrown about. Some of them are crazy, and some of them definately ARENT. We shouldnt let one piece of evidence being proven as silly mean that everything else is also.

Remember, there are hundreds of millions of people in this world that think 2009 years ago that gods son was born, performed all these miracles, then was killed and brought back to life and then went up into heaven. Not only that, hundreds of millions of other people think that this wasnt the case and that THEIR story of a magical bunch of people is the right one, and ANOTHER bunch of people think both these stories are bullshit and that the one they believe in is right. etc etc etc.

Not only that, these people with these wierd beliefs gather in special buildings each week and do all these funny rituals and start wars with each other! The worse bit is that all these people base their belief on some really badly thought out evidence and documents produced by people who were unconnected with the actual events or people involved! Nutters!

I saw ripple effect about 9 months ago ... and this TV show cherry picked some of the worst 'ideas' that the film put foward, and debunked them (Very badly). As i said, it then painted the people believing in the stories as either crackpots or 'extremists' and went as far as giving the nudge for people to come down hard on this meeting on saturday.

It was just classic Strawman argument tactics, where the alternative viewpoint is projected onto something laughable or extreme, and then THAT is brought down easily, along with any credibility or sense that the argument had.

It was typical BBC indoctrination in the guise of a 'documentary'. A Mainstream media television telling you what the government wants you to believe - Who would have thought it!

The sickening part of the whole thing, is that the 'truth movement' is now being pushed as being as bad as terrorism itself. I wouldnt give it long before the mere mention of anything that questions the official story is met with anger, violence and persecution.

The message that the show last night gave was :

CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE MADE UP BY NUTTERS. LOOK, THIS MAN THINKS HE'S JESUS!!!

THE THEORIES THEY MADE UP ARE SILLY AND EASILY EXPLAINED. THEY THOUGHT TONY BLAIR WAS INVOLVED AND THAT THEY WROTE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUS TO MESSAGE TO PEOPLE THAT THE MEN IN BLACK DID IT. HAHAHA WHAT IDIOTS!!!

THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ARE MUSLIMS AND EXTREMISTS AND ARE POTENTIAL TERRORISTS. THIS IS WHERE THEY WILL BE ON SATURDAY - GO AND GET THEM!!!

BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT. PEOPLE DIED ON THAT DAY AND ITS SICK TO EVEN QUESTION WHAT WE SAY BECAUSE THATS DISRESPECTING THE DEAD. GET ANGRY WITH CONSPIRACY THEORISTS - THEY ARE INHUMAN WIERDOS!!!!

It doesnt HAVE to be about taking things to the extreme where you ask 'oh so you think MI5 planned this?'. Its like trying to open floodgates in one go and letting yourself get swept away with them instantly..... nobody is going to accept that.

Some of the strangest things about these events are the ones that documentaries like these fail to go over. Theres dozens of things that even just looked at by themselves are opening cans of worms that could end up being massive.... but could also just end in conclusions that dont say that some global cabal was planning the whole thing, but instead end up being dirty little facets of a story that could end up being a thorn in the side of a government trying to keep everyone singing from the same song sheet.

i just rekon it should of been in the general discussion.

tinfoil hat brigade unite.