Vinyl lovers

Standing bored...

I suggest you start playing more interesting records; Hey presto! No more bored standing moments.

Point made?

:angel3:

Tech stuff...

I find this thread very amusing. Of course CD decks will co-exist alongside vinyl, it would be foolish to suggest otherwise as technology marches on. From an acoustic point of view, CD recordings are samples, at a resolution of 44.1Khz. This can never match the warmth and depth of analogue, i.e. vinyl; always remember a digital sound is a REPRESENTATION of an analogue signal. In effect a close copy, almost of the original sound.

In any situation an analogue sound will have more depth, harmonics and warmth than any digital recording. This is a fact, although I bet some numpty will try to argue, it is a fact of physics and sound engineering.

A quote that was impressed during my HND was ‘The future of digital is analogue’ It is very true, as major sound engineering companies strive to emulate the warmth of analogue through digital algorithms; as yet they have not come close to cracking this problem. Many producers have stopped using digital desks and returned to older analogue models.

The best amplifiers in the world use valves at their heart of their technology; why? This is because they sound better than the clinical flatness of a digital amplifier.

As for MP3, 4 and 7’s, these compression algorithms will never sound the same as their wave originals. Once a file is compressed and converted, it can never be returned to its original format. So much is removed, even at high encryption levels, in the process.

For myself, when I purchase some CD decks, I will only play wave files, as they retain the highest resolution of the sounds acoustics.

Re: Tech stuff...

That's all very techincal but is your point that you feel CDJ's etc are not the future?

Look at Zabiela.

Re: Tech stuff...

Would most clubbers know this sort sound difference?

I think the answer lies at the start of his statement m8. 'Of course CD decks will co-exist alongside vinyl'!

Which means they will never totally replace vinyl. Nice peice of Acoustic education if u ask me. Cant argue with that.

Re: Re: Tech stuff...

on a loud system u can sometimes tell the difference. It will sound really bright and harsh....especially if its quite a low quality MP3, of a tune that hasnt been mastered very well (in a bedroom)....

Most clubbers wudnt notice or give a funk prolly like, but that is not an excuse for a professional not wanting to be perfectionist about his work. To him, he will want the best acoustic sound quality possible. At least IMO I would. Not saying I would never use CDs, but I would try and keep the use of them in my live mixes to a minimum, maybes just me!

This will change if u start to get anywhere tho....loads of promos, and ameteur (sp) stuff is sent out on CD, so u will have to to stay ahead of the game....

They may co-exist but they will no longer be the DADDIES!

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And Deep Dish - the best DJs in the world are converting over,it must be the future

Good point, but other than that stuff I cant get on vinyl I will play only vinyl, so keeping the use of CDs to a minimum.

Whats next mini disc decks sorry I am a vinyl fanatic and they will always be the daddy to me wheather cds get used more by other DJs I aint no sheep. Keep it retro, keep it vinyl.

PEOPLE HATE CHANGE ON THIS BOARD!

they use dcd decks at the last promise comp final...my mate was mixing on 3 at once...very good indeed!! :chill:

I reckon if you gave some young kids who'd never DJ'd before some CD decks,then 2 years later tried to change them to vinyl,there is no way they would

THIS IS WHAT FLEMING SAID!

You’ve probably got to know me by now, I live up to my ‘00’ name by being a gadget freak. If there’s anything new in electrical hyperspace you can bet that I own it!! I put this love for new technology into my work, my recording studio looks like something from Star trek!! I’m putting these technological advances in to my DJ sets too. At first it was a dangerous move creating a negative response. I remember a while back I started to play a lot of CD’s in my sets which seemed to raise quite a few eyebrows. People thought that I was cheating??!! Why? There is a theory that CD’s are easier to mix? This theory comes from people that obviously have never tried it!!! I think that it’s much harder. In fact you’re dealing with a machine that does many more functions than a turntable. Take the awesome Pioneer CDJ 1000 CD player. I can mark que points throughout the track and trigger those points as samples. I can create loops and play around with those loops making digital crescendos. I can adjust the pitch of a track in real time –100% creating a digital time stretch effect + more. My mind opens up to the endless tricks that I can do on a machine like this. Now I look back to the turntable, I can…..mmmm…..put the needle on the record and let it play until the end??
Today, CD’s seem to be the norm and have been accepted by the public. Most A list DJ’s now own a CD wallet. In fact it now seems a cooler thing to see CDR in a DJ’s chart rather than ‘White label’. People know that the CDR will be fresher and hot of the press. Pioneer broke the mould; a truly forward thinking company has set a path for others to follow. Now we’re seeing the market being flooded with CD players using Pioneers groundbreaking technology. So what’s next? MP3 players, Wav/Aiff players? Why not? But how will this be accepted by the public? DJ’s turning up to a gig with just a pocket drive and some headphones. I think as long as the DJ looks like he’s actively working his machinery we’ll get away with it. The visual factor is very important. Like what Pioneer did, making a BIG impressive machine rather that a small thing that looked like a home hi-fi unit! I feel that this paved the way for CD’s. People would look at the Pioneer CD deck and say wow!!! They’d look even more impressed when you started performing your tricks.
Would you accept a DJ playing Wav/Aiff files? I think that we have to face the fact that technology is moving fast. Vinyl sales are fading because the demand is for downloads. More people are turning to playing CD’s due to the convenience of being able to download a track, burn it to CD and play it out minutes later. Many DJ’s from foreign countries sometimes have to wait 3 – 6 months for a copy of a new vinyl release to eventually make it into their local record shop, now they can own it instantly buying a download. With the power of the Internet they are bang up to date with new releases. Imagine how frustrating it must be if you want a new record but have to wait 6 months for it!!
We will soon see a totally new infrastructure arrive in the Internet hyperspace. There are currently very few websites where you can buy downloads. Soon all that will change and when it does it going to explode!!
We better start getting used to this technology……..a view into the future…imagine listening to one of the hundreds of satellite radio stations in your car, you hear Tiesto playing a track that you love. You press your interactive button on your radio, that track is then added to you shopping basket. When you’re done your tracks are downloaded (broadband speed) to the 40 gig hard drive of your mobile phone that is situated in the dashboard of your car. You then turn up at the club, plug you phone into the new bread of DJ players (Via USB port) and play that track out. Sounds scary, but that technology is pretty much with us!!

some places in newcastle already have converted mini disc decks. they are shit but then wants the chances of one of the big companies making something similar to the cdj1000 for mini discs?

Re: Standing bored...

making demo cds consisting of just one record mixed into another is generally not enough to get you noticed!!especially when you're not on any mailing promo lists etc, as you're tune selection will never be new to everyone!

with people like those on the crasher board dedicating their lives to listening to new tunes, even if it is illegally via p2p, then you can never be seen to be ahead of the game, so you've got to try and do something different!

please do not take that cd i sent you as an example of this, as lately i just havn't got time or resources to plan and do things for a decent demo cd due to university commitments!

i have just made another one and am pleased with the mixing on it but it has nothing that special i don't think!

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Sorry Dave, but I disagree; all my CD's are straight mixed and I seem to get results. You don't need gimmicks, just good music.

To be honest Dave, if you worry about what people on the 'Crasher board listen to, you may as well climb in a small box and never come out.

Open your eyes lad, who cares if they download new material...oooh big wow!

Play what you like, never be swayed by what others are listening to.

Lee's arch nemesis, Jackmaster, once said to me before a gig, "don't try and be a hero John, just mix the records".....and i think hes right....maybe chris and Lee have more in common than they think?