Where Were You...

no oil in North Korea.

yeah.. it'll be iran first, but north korea are part of ol' georgie's ''axis of evil'' so i'm sure something will happen.

Same here. Funnily enough i was in hospital
I'd nipped out for a tab and some woman came past saying to her mate that a plane had hit the WTC and they thought it might be terrorists. I legged it back upstairs to the ward and chucked bbc on. within 5 minutes all the patients and every ward nurse/doctor were huddled round the tele, 2 mins later the 2nd one hit. when i think about it now it was mad seeing the reactions of all those people round me. it was like a group outburst of shock!

Me and Lucy were just talkin bout the whole war on terror/conspiracies etc last night after watching that 9/11 hotel on c4. Personally I'm with the conspiracy theorists, theres no way those buildings should have come down. Lucy's not so sure, but we both agree it wasnt a fucking plane that hit the pentagon!!

I was in Ibiza!!! Vividly remember walking past a cafe down a side street in San An and seeing everyone looking at the TV. I saw some flames and just assumed there was some fire in mainland Spain or sommit. Got to Bora Bora and the calls started coming through. Was on the phone to one of me mates when the second plane hit. Word soon spread around the island and for the rest of the week it was surreal, people not sure if or when they would get home!!!

Got home to an empty house the following weekend and just watched the news for hours non-stop taking it all in. Being in Ibiza you didn't fully appreciate the scale of it all but once I got home it hit me like a steam train

Not trying to dismiss this point, but personally I am more concerned about global security (and by that I don't mean the US acting as the world's policeman and moral artiber). Which, as the article points out, seems to be taking more of a backseat in this election than perhaps it should.

WTF is 'partial birth abortion' anyway?

I was at school, then went home and remember it being all rather surreal.

i've lived here almost a year now and i still can't decide who would be better for the job, on one hand with mccain he's a former POW and in his mid 70s and could expire at anytime, and if that happens were left with a 41 year old miss alaska runner up as the most powerful person in the world.
with obama, not much wrong with obama, apart from the abortion thing, oh and his wife is a noted racist, and its not just ''speaking out'' she wrote several papers of her hatred and disdain towards whites while at university for the campus newspaper.
oh and a lot of people here think obama is the anti-christ..!! haha

[/B][/QUOTE] WTF is 'partial birth abortion' anyway? [/B][/QUOTE]

According to the American Medical Association, this procedure has four main elements.[8] First, the cervix is dilated. Second, the fetus is positioned for a footling breech. Third, the fetus is extracted except for the head. Fourth, the brain of the fetus is evacuated so that a dead but otherwise intact fetus is delivered via the vagina.

Usually, preliminary procedures are performed over a period of two to three days, to gradually dilate the cervix using laminaria tents (sticks of seaweed which absorb fluid and swell). Sometimes drugs such as synthetic pitocin are used to induce labor. Once the cervix is sufficiently dilated, the doctor uses an ultrasound and forceps to grasp the fetus' leg. The fetus is turned to a breech position, if necessary, and the doctor pulls one or both legs out of the birth canal, causing what is referred to by some people as the 'partial birth' of the fetus. The doctor subsequently extracts the rest of the fetus, usually without the aid of forceps, leaving only the head still inside the birth canal. An incision is made at the base of the skull, scissors are inserted into the incision and opened to widen the opening[9], and then a suction catheter is inserted into the opening. The brain is suctioned out, which causes the skull to collapse and allows the fetus to pass more easily through the birth canal. The placenta is removed and the uterine wall is vacuum aspirated using a cannula.[10]

and this happens upto 7 months.

OK, it sounds unpleasant, but I don't think it's what I would be using to make my decision on who to vote for. I'd be looking at what each candidate had planned for the rest of world. Not much point worrying about a few babies if everything else had gone to hell in a handcart.

I got in from 6th form and my mam was on the internet in one room with the TV blasting from another. I strolled in, casually as anything, and asked what was going on. Before she could reply I saw some of the footage.

Spent the entire evening flicking through news channels trying to find out more..

my fucking word - thats awful

true.

yup.

exactly. The whole election process in America (and increasingly here) is sidetracked by issues like abortion or creationism or whether kids should have sex education or teens have access to contraception. These are the sort of things that can distract the media and the electorate so those in power don't have to talk about stuff that they don't want to like global warming or the use of torture or the loss of civil liberties or oil wars or the unchecked power of global corporations or the obscene disparities between rich and poor in the world. It's so much easier and makes them seem like they have principles. Even Obama seems to be unable to avoid being sucked into this sort of sterile debate and away from the big picture

maybe the problem is with voter apathy? they use or maybe NEED these 'home' issues to get people voting in the first place.

they'd just get slated for concentrating on global issues - then people would turn off and not be bothered. same applies here - bins going to fortnightly collections causes nationwide panic yet human rights violations in african states evokes hardly any reaction

one of my first lessons in politics was a councillor telling me that they nodded through a new development costing millions in a few minutes but spent something like an hour debating whether the cleaner should have a new bucket......

and I think they call it 'partial birth abortion' to make it seem more like murder.
You could describe many medical and surgical procedures in similarly graphic terms and produce a similar revulsion.
how about 'the woman gets raped by a mental case and is forced to carry the resulting baby to term by people who have comfortable lives and don't want to think about the horror of other peoples lives'
or men (who can't have babies and can usually avoid the consequences of unplanned pregnancies) get to vote on what women (who can't) can or can't do with their own bodies

MR KUHNT WAS PREPARING A FEAST FOR 90 STARVING VILLAGERS AT HIS HOME. AS HE WAS PREPARING THE DOUGH WITH WHICH WAS TO HAVE VARIOUS DELIGHTS ENTHURST UPON ITS GAPING SPACE, HE SWITCHED THE TV ON AND WATCHED WITH HIS JAW AGAPE, VIDEO FOOTAGE OF A PLANE CRASHING THROUGH ONE OF THE TWIN TOWERS...SHORTLY FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER...REMAINED INGRAINED ON THE INNER CORNEAS OF MR KUHNTS BEADY BLACK EYES.

IT WAS A SOLEMN MOMENT AT KUHNT MANORS ON THAT DAY.

is it only men that come up with these terms? 7 months seems a little late

I was living in Corfu at the time, remember watching the whole thing unfold live on sky news.