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  1. SeniorChem Si

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    you got something to say or are you just sucking Spence's cock???? :dunce:
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    It never comes across like that it always comes across as hate & very anti-American
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    I defnitely don't have a problems with Americans generally or the country as a whole.

    George Bush, Dick Cheyney, Donald Rumsfield etc I would happily impale :D
  4. TheSpence

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    I can see that with Rupert & know the only reason he is anti Europe is because the EU will NOT let him monopolise.
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    hahaha ... do you want to take my freedom to laugh away from me, do I have to explain it or 'say something' ??? Dry yer eyes grumpy !!

    The whole countries went PC mad and it seemd message boards are now the place to feel good about yourself by expressing PC values and opinions calling anyone who disagrees a racist of fascist.
  6. TheSpence

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    You sound like Mrs Thatcher when she spoke about the UKs UNDERCLASS!

    Your a right winger ready to happen;) :)
  7. Ayatollah Terry

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    Your mad Si! Why would you bother attempt to break upon a claim that Spence is racist? You tried that with me the other day which was wholly unjustified and untrue. You also seem to think that insulting people is the best way to counter someone's opinion, instead of just debating the facts.

    It's obvious that you have good, strong morales, but there is always two sides to a story and certainly in the case of asylum seekers. The pros and cons are valid whether you are against it or not.

    I'm pretty sure The Spence is quite happy to have asylum seekers in the UK, he just may feel it's not well regulated and that countries such as the USA should take more of them than us for obvious reasons. My main point from all of this is that you should be debating points rather than telling someone they talk shite & accusing them of being racist!
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    but how do you test for or even define a genuine asylum seeker?

    i mean in practical terms here - no bullshit theories that sound all pretty and PC but could not be realistically impelmented in the real world...

    how should the peeps who actually have the v difficult task of deciding who gets in an who doesn't decide?

    i'm thinking a simple questionnaire would not suffice here. ;)
  9. SeniorChem Si

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    I'll tell you why, because it fucks me off big style, it boils my fucking blood, that's why.

    Last few months there's been plenty of comments about asylum seekers and all of them negative, some days it's like reading the fucking Sun or the Daily Mail on here because I'm seeing more and more of the shit that they churn out on regurgitated on here. All it is is politics of hate intolerance and bigotry, and whipping this up is what causes half the problems in this world.

    get it???

    I don't think Spence is happy to have asylum seekers here, in fact I think him and a good few others on here want exactly the opposite, so what is it Spence?

    a) send em back home
    b) not a problem
  10. BRID

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    Theres alot of reasons why people are entitled to knowing BOTH sides of the story - and usually when the lefties like Si and Joe speak up about them... theres always people saying "well theres two sides to this... etc etc etc"

    .... Which is fair enough...

    BUT....

    We live in a world where the TWO sides to this argument arent thrown in our face in equal measure - we get a single side to the argument which is that Assylum seekers are sponging slime and should be turned around and sent home the moment they come knocking on our doors for help. Ive yet to see any newspaper run a headline with "Give Assylum Seekers a break" or "How about sorting our own shit out before picking on people in REAL need".

    ... I honestly think that theres always a counter argument to the Pro-Liberalist stance (the world is so complex there isnt an right and wrong answer) and its very valid to bring this up. HOWEVER until we live in a world that places equal importance on all sides to the argument and NOT those that help sell a 20p newspaper better (CLUE: Its the ones spreading hate and fear) then its up to people to shout about this as loud as we can.

    Fair enough POV?
  11. TheSpence

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    Your right Terry, Si is always BRANDING people he is worse than the BNP for that.

    He called me a racist & a white supremacist, but come the next election I will be voting for a Jewish gentlemen with strong Romanian roots
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    The gauntlet thrown Spence!

    In all honesty I've not been on here for a while so don't know what's been written, but am well aware that a few people on here don't really know what they're talking about when it comes to certain issues. You seem to get so angry over what some people say. If someone has an opinion which is blatently uneducated, then either ignore it or educate them without the agression. If they throw abuse at you, then is the time to kick seven shades out of them
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    why? the only reason why they are allowed to do nothing is because we LET THEM. we should concentrate on improving the bowels of our own society before letting another ones manifest itself.

    why the fuck are we taking more assylum seekers? are you suggesting the majority of assylums seekers are here for the good of the uk?

    do you honestly think half of them could care less about what the vastly increased population pressure they are excerting is doing to this country?

    exactly how do you suppose we support this vast tide of immigrants?

    HAVE YOU NO COMMON SENSE?

    at the end of the day ask yourself why on earth do you think every other country in europe is so keen to be rid of them?

    answer me that and then come back with a valid reason that the uk should allow so many AS into the country.

    and dont try the rascism card cos its BS.
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    Nah scruf, im not saying our policy of letting so many people in is right - personally i dont agree with the level of people we are letting into the country, we're part of europe and i dont think its fair that countries like france can point blank refuse to take in more...

    the only point im making is the reasons people give for not wanting assylum seekers in the first place - and the information we get fed about them is wholly one sided and does nothing to make the world a better place, only perpetuating a "them and us" attitude.

    I do think our worldwide policy (the nations who can afford to let in AS) as a whole is wrong - And the UK does appear to be a great place to come to from a poor european person or whatever's perpective... but as i said, the problem is about the media demonising those less fortunate, and how we should let them rot in their own countries etc etc.

    Im not sympathising with letting people in willy nilly, im just against the hatred and fear campaign.
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    1. most of the time that's exactly what I'll do but now n then it just totally fucks me off (specially when I'm packin in the tabs n
    :chill: )

    2. I never said Spence was a racist or a white supremacist, but that there ARE those undertones in what he says, so don't come bleating with the "mammy he called me a racist" baloney :p

    3. Brid, well said

    4. Scruf, you got that from the Sun didn't you?? I can't be arsed trying to un-brainwash your stupid head so why not just piss off instead of spouting shit that you've read in a shit rag that's published by one of the world's ruchest people who has a vested inetrest in making you think that crap??
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    Si - why not instead of kicking off with them for reading (and believing) as you say " a shit rag that's published by one of the world's ruchest people who has a vested inetrest in making you think that crap" why not point them in the direction of an unbias news source?

    constructive criticism tends to go down a bit better than "you don't know what you're talking about you stupid uneducated ignorant ----- wanker!" ;) :D

    i'm staying out of the main debate cos i don't know enough about the situation an you bigger boys will crucify me :eek: :(

    but the sun rocks for the page 3 an dear deidre alone! :D
  17. TheSpence

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    Gauntlet??

    Simon,

    It is not as simple as pick A or B, that may be how Michael Moore solves things by saying pick A or B & in paperback it does work.

    I belive in equality, all the EU nations should take equal amounts of asylum seekers, the benfits given to asylum seekers should be standard accross EU states. Bogus asylum seekers should be deported & NEVER ALLOWED BACK (HE WHO CRY'S WOLF), we also need to look at the appeal system as that is shocking.

    The nations that are the MAJOR source of asylum seekers should have UN/EU/USA/Commenwealth sanctions against them so they sort themselves out.

    PS: I love it how anyone who agree's with you is right or spot on:D
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    normally I would but like I said I'm packing in the tabs and just haven't got the patience today :p
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    Re: Gauntlet??


    I agree 100% with all that except that the bogus AS's should be horsewhipped before before deported :D
  20. TheSpence

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    Re: Re: Gauntlet??

    My last bit should have been:
    The nations that are the MAJOR source of asylum seekers should have UN/EU/USA/Commenwealth sanctions against them so they sort themselves out.

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